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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Why WM+ won't help Wii in Japan. Too little, too late.

As we all know, Wii has been on a sales slide in Japan.   However the picture is bigger than that.

The entire industry has been on a sales slide in Japan for years now, especially home consoles.  Plus Japan has an aging population.  Which is why Nintendo decided they needed to make a system (DS) that would appeal to more than just the young gaming 'core' and why we have Nintendogs and Brain Age for it.    It was a huge success and continues to dominate sales in the land of the rising sun even now, years later, even after saturating the marketing (more than 1 in 5 Japanese owns a DS, effectively one in every house in the country and it's still selling).

Being last in the last generation with the Gamecube, seeing the Japanese home gaming scene slowing fading away and knowing competing with Sony & MS in high-end loss leading systems would kill them, Nintendo decided to do for home consoles what DS did for portables.  Along came the Wii.

And it was a success.  A huge success.  And people called it a fad.  And too an extent, they were right.  Even Iwata acknowledged that the mass market is easily bored and you must keep surprising them with new experiences or they'll lose interest.   Nintendo knew what they were getting into - sorta.

But everything worked great.  Wii Sports sold well (Japan), Wii Play sold well, Wii Fit was huge, Mario Kart was a perfect bridge title, Brawl still had massive core appeal and some casual.   But then came the double whammy misfire of Wii Music and Animal Crossing.   Yes, both made money and are in and of themselves successful, but both failed to do what Nintendo intented them to do - surprise and engage the mass market.  As Iwata predicted, they have played Brawl, Kart, Sports to death, see nothing new to surprise and entice them are quickly losing interest.   

Now Japan is the worst market for this for a number of reasons, 1) More fickle and prone to obsess over a few select things (MH, FF, DQ) while most others get poor reception.  2) In Japan, like no where else, 3rd party software has really struggled on Wii, leaving Nintendo alone to carry the system 3) Recession is worst in Japan.

Now Nintendo knew they'd need another 'surprise' after Wii Music, Animal Crossing started to fade, and that's Wii Motion Plus/Wii Sports Resort.  So will it revive Wii sales?

Temporarily, but not by what we'd hope for or for too long.

Why? 

The Wii Music/AC failed to sell like other key titles creating a prolonged vacuum, creating a lost on interest in Wii in general.  Once the shine has gone it's much harder to gain it back.

Unlike in the West where Virtua Tennis, Grand Slam Tennis, Tiger Woods, Red Steel 2 and other titles will help promote and evangilize the wonderfulness of Wii Motion Plus  (especially EA who stands to gain a lot from it),  those titles will have little appeal in Japan and there are no (announced) Japan centric titles using Wii Motion Plus.   So if you live in Japan WM+ is good for Wii Sports Resort... and that's it.   Effectively making it a one trick pony.  A gimmick.  And not all that interesting or different to the mass market than what they thought Wii Sports was in the first place.

In the West the Wii is still popular and with massive 3rd party support Wii Motion Plus will successfully reinvigorate interest in Wii for the casual market and possibly the core (depends, we'll need more than RS2). 

But in Japan it's likely too be simply too little, too late.

However, all is not lost in Japan.  Monster Hunter 3 tri, Tales of Graces, Dragon Quest X and likely other unannounced titles are coming and should give Wii a much needed boost.   But without WM+ adoptation in any of these or other titles, that leaves Wii fighting PS3 and 360 for the core gamers and not the casual market and that's exactly where Nintendo didn't want to end up in the first place because it's still a dying market that's ultimately not worth winning.

The other factor is whatever Nintendo still has up it's sleeve.   A Wii Fit Plus and a casualized Zelda Wii using WM+ for the fall season would be a huge boon.



 

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i don't think wm+ will bring up hardware that much we might see a small jump in sales 3-5k increase



Wii Music and Animal Crossing failed to sell because of a reviewer-led smear campaign against them.



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It's a sound idea, and it may have some merit. Nintendo is sorta sliding back into the Red Ocean in Japan, but i do think the console's image can be revived. It is hard to regain momentum, but i think Nintendo's up to the task.



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Mr Khan said:

It's a sound idea, and it may have some merit. Nintendo is sorta sliding back into the Red Ocean in Japan, but i do think the console's image can be revived. It is hard to regain momentum, but i think Nintendo's up to the task.

 

 

As do I.  At first I was about to say, "not another Wii is doomed" article, but reading that the OP acknowledges that the Wii still has its cards to play aside from MP+ helped assuage it.  MH3 will CERTAINLY boost the system, as will TALES, and DQX certainly.  However, there ARE some games coming unnanounced, so I'm not about to count Nintendo out.



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Too long a read....
I will admit that I dont think WSR will be a big a seller as most people think. I just hope WM+ will be an option for more than a few games. Madworld coudnt read my gestures it pissed me off and waggling has gotten old.



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I pretty agree with the OP.



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It's not about the WM+. Most people wanting that probably already have the console. It's about the Wii Sports Resort. WM+ will be better used in America and European markets anyways. Wii Sports Resort is the big thing to get Ninty back on track in Japan. If that can't do it, then aside from DQX, MH3, or some unannounced big Ninty game there isn't much that can. And those really would come too little too late.

Wii Sports Resort is the big gun and Sony and MS have nothing to counter it when it releases in Japan. It would need something on FF calibur level which is doesn't till later int he year. If that can't push hardware then we might see Wii in this awful predicament for awhile. Possibly even to a point where Wii hit a limit. Even scarier possibility would be that PS3 and 360 continue to be unable to pick up where Wii let off.



Not a bad read. Pretty hard to disagree with any of it. I believe AC will sell at least 6 million lifetime sales. It is pretty hard to match MK, Wii Fit, and Wii Sports though. Anyways, I think another game that could utilize WM+ that may stand a good chance of becoming popular in Japan would be a WM+ baseball game featuring the Japanese baseball league. Baseball is pretty popular in Japan. However, it doesn't look like Mario Super Sluggers is doing too well there, but maybe a game that featured their league would do better?