WW as of 3/27/09 HW to SW Tie Ratio

  221,799,260 7.45

  288,419,313 5.88

  126,034,075 5.85

NA

167,028139 7.36

63,679,411 7.68

EU

91,222,739 4.95

51,273,901 5.02

Japan

30,168,435 3.79

  11,080,763 3.64

BHR-3s Thoughts

1 Why is this happening?

2 The Wii has more than double the HW out shouldnt it have a better Ratio like the 360 does?

3 The PS3 came out about 6 months later in EU than the Wii yet it has a better Ratio in that Region?

4 PS3 games cost 60$ while most Wii games are 50$ and lower?

5 It looks like the problem to me is that most multis are selling better on the PS3 doesnt the fact that the Wii has motion controls in turn advance the gameplay sway the audience to buy the Wii version?

6 The Wii even has SW being tracked for every console sold with Wii Sports!?

7 Most of the top games for the Wii have come out while PS3s heavy hitters (GT5, GOW3, FF, Twisted Metal)are about to come out?

8 The Wii has a bigger game library doesnt that mean a bigger HW to SW ratio?

I feel that soon the PS3 will pass the Wii in WW tie ratio and even in each region, yeah the Wii has sold more HW than the PS3 and maybe will have sold the most HW wen the gen is done.  I feel that the HW to SW ratio means alot for each gen b/c that tells me that there are games being played and bought for the console.  I feel the system that has the best HW to SW ratio has the best overall console b/c people are buying multiple games for there respected console meaning that the console has a diverse game library that can appeal to everyone.  Who knows someone could be buying all these Wiis and stacking them up somewhere just to make the Wii have the most HW sold for this gen.

In the end its the games that the people buy these systems for is it not?

Please post ur thoughts about this matter or someone please try to anwser my thoughts

lol nice pic.
Finally time to bury another hatchet for the ps3.

wooow.

Don't you understand that the more systems sold the lower the tie ratio is? Look the DS has a 4 tie ratio. Yet do we think it is bad at selling software? No we don't.

Tie ratios don't matter. Total software sold does and in this case the wii has sold twice as much SW units WW.

At the end of the day the Wii sells much more SW than the PS3. Thats what publishers care about. Not averages.

The worst selling console usually has the highest tie-ratio (last gen, the Gamecube had a tie-ratio of almost 10!).

If anything, the PS3's tie-ratio is hilariously bad. It should have a much, much bigger tie-ratio than the Wii or 360, due to its low installed base.

thats false ive been monitering the 360s as it sells more HW its tie ratio has also increased

thats aslo false or very close if you thake out Wii sports the SW isnt doubled the ps3s witch it should be considering that it has more than double the HW and u have to consider that the ps3 was late in EU and its libary is smaller and its games cost more

Look I know your're a PS3 fanboy so anymore arguing with you will continue to be fruitless but just a few things.

1. The size of the software library has nothing to do with software tie ratio. Tie ratio only has a bearing on SOLD software.

2. If you want to take out wii sports even though its not bundled in Japan be my guest. But you also have to take out ALL other bundled software on the other systems to be fair.

3. As Chrizum said the Gamecube had a tie ratio of 10. A lot of good that did it.

/thread, im out

Most tie ratios for top machines reach 8-12 and Wii is on pace to reach that lifetime. DS had a tie ratio of two through March 2005, which has since grown to 5.5 by shipped figures (536m to 96m SW: HW through Dec 08).

NES, SNES, PS1, and PS2 all had tie ratios of 8-12 by region although SNES is borderline. GC, Xbox also had tie ratios of over 8, so it isn't that surprising to see PS3/360 with big tie ratios.

Usually though the tie ratio does decline as the number of users goes up because its harder to satisfy the tastes of 100 million gamers than it is to satisfy the tastes of 20, 35, or 50 million gamers.

What developers care about is number of games they can sell on a platform. For Wii and DS combined, ~386m games were shipped in the year ending March 2009, compared to ~250m for PS2, PS3, and PSP combined.

There are caveats for both:

PS3 probably sold 75m games for companies besides Sony in the last FY (out of 105m games shipped for the platform), and games like GTAIV, MGS4, Little Big Planet and a few other mega hits take up probably ~20-30% of the total. PS3 games are expensive to make, but it pays off for the mega hits.

Wii had probably 95m games of the 193m games shipped in the March 2009 year made by Nintendo. That leaves only 98m for developers. Still, with cheaper costs to make games and a bigger base it probably is more economical to support Wii. On the other hand, only a few third party games - like Guitar Hero III, Guitar Hero: Legends of Rock, Mario & Sonic, Carnival Games, Lego Star Wars reach mega hit status.

For a bankable, sure-fire 2m+ third party hit, PS3 is probably more reliable for third parties than Wii, but for games which are smaller, potential break outs, or risky the Wii makes more sense.

1 Why is this happening?

Well, Wii kinda started with a +1 lead, considering that it has Wii Sports resort. If you go back a year, it was actually 4.49 vs 3.52! Ps3 has been slowly selling more. Furthermore, it's always like this. The more hardware you sell, the higher ratio is mainstream users. Mainstreasm users buy less software than the more rabid users (or "hardcore").

2 The Wii has more than double the HW out shouldnt it have a better Ratio like the 360 does?

That's just wrong. More hardware sold means less software sold, because of the reason I explained above (mainstream vs rabids)

3 The PS3 came out about 6 months later in EU than the Wii yet it has a better Ratio in that Region?

The ratio usually increases with time, so this is against the normal logic. It means that the average Ps3 owner in Europe is more hardcore than the average Ps3 owner WW, compared to Wii owners.

4 PS3 games cost 60$ while most Wii games are 50$ and lower?

Yeah, that's correct (and 2 of the Wii games actually total out around 20$ each (Wii Sports + Wii Play, which over 40% own both of, and 90% own 1 of). 

5 It looks like the problem to me is that most multis are selling better on the PS3 doesnt the fact that the Wii has motion controls in turn advance the gameplay sway the audience to buy the Wii version?

Not really. Wii owners tend to buy Nintendo made games (3rd party sales on Ps3 are roughly equal to Wii, so no advantage from scratch there), and the multiplats generally have "tacked on" motion. 

6 The Wii even has SW being tracked for every console sold with Wii Sports!?

Well, except for Japan. 

7 Most of the top games for the Wii have come out while PS3s heavy hitters (GT5, GOW3, FF, Twisted Metal)are about to come out?

That's not really correct. It's unlikely that Nintendo will leave the Wii without software. 

8 The Wii has a bigger game library doesnt that mean a bigger HW to SW ratio?

It has a bigger library yeah, but also sold more. The total number of games is pretty equal to the total units sold.

Hope I answered your questions

PS3 has passed Wii long ago since they count Wii Sports on Wii SW attach ratio.

O RLY?