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Punch Out!! Wii - Its NOT a remake!!! Why does anybody think it is?

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noname2200 said:

Not in the least, but then the sequels to those games added new characters (and occasionally took old ones away), new stages, etc. Is that the case here? Honest question, mind you, because I've yet to hear that it is. From where I'm standing, it looks like the original Punch-Out with better graphics, a new multiplayer mode, and some tweaks.

Look at it this way: under your reasoning, Resident Evil on the Gamecube was NOT a remake because it has stuff that the original didn't. We know that's not the case, of course. In fact, I venture that aside from adding multiplayer the REmake had more dramatic changes between the original game and its modern reimagining. The only thing that favors NOT calling Punch-Out!! a remake is that Nintendo said it's a "new game," but they've yet to show me any reason why "remake" shouldn't apply.

Keep in mind that I'm hardly insulting the game by calling it a remake. Remakes can be great (see: REmake, Klonoa, most likely Boy and His Blob, and tons more). I know that has a negative connotation in some folks' mind (nevermind that most of 'em never played the original), which is likely why Nintendo's taken the tack it has, but as near as I can tell this is, in fact a remake. Care to change my mind? I'm all ears.

 There are new charactersat the very least. I am trying to track down the press release I saw it in but am having some trouble. Wikipedia has new characters and new moves listed, but with no source. Of course Wikipedia also lists it as a "re-imagining" of the title so it more or less keeps the debate at a stand still. What it is officially labeled as is largely irrelevant iif ya ask me. Just want to make sure the right info is out there.

 Edit: Re-imagination is the official tagline given by Nintendo. I imagine this will be similar to what happened with Prince of Persia.

http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/209086/punch-out-wii-to-include-nes-style-controls/



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Maynard_Tool said:
noname2200 said:
What makes you think it's not a remake? It's got the same characters as the original (at least, all we've seen is familiar faces so far), and everything I've read about it calls it a "reimagining" of the original. Keep in mind that there WILL be changes, but at its base the Wii game appears to be a remade version of the NES title.

And that's AWESOME.

 

So, all the mortal kombats, street fighters and even smash, count as remake??? Just b/c it has old characters, doesn't mean it's a remake. Plus it's been already confirm that is NOT a remake. Nintendo said it was a new game.

 

That is different, they have a different story. What was punch outs story originally? What is the new punch outs story? I thought so. No matter how you spin it, it's a remake. Though in no way is that a bad thing, just don't deny it.



SUPABRETT said:
Yes it is. It even has all the same characters. I remember that Disco guy he was tough in the original.

& it's a Wiiware release too. Can't wait to download:)

I don't know how you remember him, because Disco Kid is a new original character for the new original Wii game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punch-Out!!#Characters



JamesCizuz said:
Maynard_Tool said:
noname2200 said:
What makes you think it's not a remake? It's got the same characters as the original (at least, all we've seen is familiar faces so far), and everything I've read about it calls it a "reimagining" of the original. Keep in mind that there WILL be changes, but at its base the Wii game appears to be a remade version of the NES title.

And that's AWESOME.

 

So, all the mortal kombats, street fighters and even smash, count as remake??? Just b/c it has old characters, doesn't mean it's a remake. Plus it's been already confirm that is NOT a remake. Nintendo said it was a new game.

 

That is different, they have a different story. What was punch outs story originally? What is the new punch outs story? I thought so. No matter how you spin it, it's a remake. Though in no way is that a bad thing, just don't deny it.

Wait what? Punch Out story is the same so its a remake? Wtf?

EDIT - Thats just....wtf!? STORY in Punch out!? STORY IN FUCKING PUNCH OUT!?

 



Valkyria00 said:
JamesCizuz said:
Maynard_Tool said:
noname2200 said:
What makes you think it's not a remake? It's got the same characters as the original (at least, all we've seen is familiar faces so far), and everything I've read about it calls it a "reimagining" of the original. Keep in mind that there WILL be changes, but at its base the Wii game appears to be a remade version of the NES title.

And that's AWESOME.

 

So, all the mortal kombats, street fighters and even smash, count as remake??? Just b/c it has old characters, doesn't mean it's a remake. Plus it's been already confirm that is NOT a remake. Nintendo said it was a new game.

 

That is different, they have a different story. What was punch outs story originally? What is the new punch outs story? I thought so. No matter how you spin it, it's a remake. Though in no way is that a bad thing, just don't deny it.

Wait what? Punch Out story is the same so its a remake? Wtf?

EDIT - Thats just....wtf!? STORY in Punch out!? STORY IN FUCKING PUNCH OUT!?

 

My exact point. There is none. Well if you want to call that a story... You mentioned a bunch of games, which are heavy on story, you might of well said RE5 is a remake because it has chris and RE1 had chris. Punch out, looks the same(mechanic wise), based from first game, same story, same characters, except a few new ones, yep thats a remake.

 



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Disco Kid is new so this is not a remake.



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JamesCizuz said:
Valkyria00 said:
JamesCizuz said:

That is different, they have a different story. What was punch outs story originally? What is the new punch outs story? I thought so. No matter how you spin it, it's a remake. Though in no way is that a bad thing, just don't deny it.

Wait what? Punch Out story is the same so its a remake? Wtf?

EDIT - Thats just....wtf!? STORY in Punch out!? STORY IN FUCKING PUNCH OUT!?

My exact point. There is none. Well if you want to call that a story... You mentioned a bunch of games, which are heavy on story, you might of well said RE5 is a remake because it has chris and RE1 had chris. Punch out, looks the same(mechanic wise), based from first game, same story, same characters, except a few new ones, yep thats a remake.

Does that make sequels of racing games also remakes? Those are usually games without stories. Or generally, are all sequels of games without stories automatically just remakes?



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RolStoppable said:
JamesCizuz said:
Valkyria00 said:
JamesCizuz said:

That is different, they have a different story. What was punch outs story originally? What is the new punch outs story? I thought so. No matter how you spin it, it's a remake. Though in no way is that a bad thing, just don't deny it.

Wait what? Punch Out story is the same so its a remake? Wtf?

EDIT - Thats just....wtf!? STORY in Punch out!? STORY IN FUCKING PUNCH OUT!?

My exact point. There is none. Well if you want to call that a story... You mentioned a bunch of games, which are heavy on story, you might of well said RE5 is a remake because it has chris and RE1 had chris. Punch out, looks the same(mechanic wise), based from first game, same story, same characters, except a few new ones, yep thats a remake.

Does that make sequels of racing games also remakes? Those are usually games without stories. Or generally, are all sequels of games without stories automatically just remakes?

Also a difference, they update heavily the whole game. Though a lot of racing games end up being that, but most racing games have a heavy story. You are building a carreer as a driver, or some other story, you constantly tune and change the cars etc. You are also putting words in my mouth. Punch out is no different then it's NES counterpart. The style, the "story"(it actually has one, it's the same story), the characters, with a few extras of course, and even down to fighting mechanices, only thing that has changed is you use wii-mote. You can call it a new game, which it is, just as every remake is new. At the end of the day it's a remake.

 

Remember, if it smells like a duck, quaks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck.

 



JamesCizuz said:

Also a difference, they update heavily the whole game. Though a lot of racing games end up being that, but most racing games have a heavy story. You are building a carreer as a driver, or some other story, you constantly tune and change the cars etc. You are also putting words in my mouth. Punch out is no different then it's NES counterpart. The style, the "story"(it actually has one, it's the same story), the characters, with a few extras of course, and even down to fighting mechanices, only thing that has changed is you use wii-mote. You can call it a new game, which it is, just as every remake is new. At the end of the day it's a remake.

 

Remember, if it smells like a duck, quaks like a duck, looks like a duck, it's a duck.

 

 So what is the story of the new Punc-out? Do you have to unlock the extra circuits or are they all open by default? How does the motion control work? Is it better than playing the gamewith the Wiimote sideways? I assume you must have played the game to know the mechanics are the same. If you can't answer all of these questions I have to assume you are just making shit up based on extremely limited information.



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