Toshiba and Sony did not go into a Joint Venture to "not sell chip's" yea let's just ignore Selling The Chip's, get over it temper tantrums have nothing to do with it. they are in it to make Money.

Sony sold the plant to cut cost's, no where does it say that Sony sold off their right's to ever get the Cell Chip produced by someone else, but that would be kind of stupid, because they already have a partner in the industry already produceing the Chip's anyway..Toshiba

Yea Toshiba is going to buy a Fab plant and not Sell those Chip's to one of the largest companies that buy's those chip's

riight..., just give it up man the Investor's would have a field day..so let me get this straight you buy a fab plant but your not going to sell the chip's in mass to a company that hold's 40% stock in our company...

This is sort of old. Funnily enough, both threads are very much alike.

That plant can produce ANY sort of chip Toshiba wants to produce, meanwhile it is one of the only ones that can produce the CELL processor(other plants are the high tech plant Toshiba owns near Kobe and the East Fishkill plant owned by IBM).

Plants like that cost billions to start up so Toshiba just got a state of the art facility for way less then a billion and from Toshiba`s point of view they dont care what they produce there, be it flash ram or CELL, they just bought a 2 billion dollar facility for less then 900 million dollars.

THAT is all there is to it for Toshiba.

Furthermore, Sony had an initial stake in CELL of 40%, they do however OT have a 40% stake in Toshiba and guess what, they didnt sell the facility to the CELL consortium they sold it to Toshiba a company that hates their guts.

listen to your self.."HAD '' Sony lost it's stake in this Joint venture? link please..

and hate your gut's has no bearing on it at all once again they are in it for the Money. the JOINT VENTURE STOCK HOLDER'S AKA 40% which happen's to be owned by Sony. means they have quite a bit of say so. And i might add reguardless if there is an order for the Chip's Toshiba has an obligation to fill it due to the fact IT'S A JOINT VENTURE there's a contract involved which mean's we have no idea of those term's.

which mean's what your claim is just

YOUR "OPINION"

FAR FROM BEING A FACT.

and

CELL consortium: lol what group is that?

..ol

you mean STI/

SONY

TOSHIBA

IBM

THEY DID'NT SELL TO THE CELL consortium BECAUSE THEY ARE PART OF IT.

Hahahahaha oh man, you should do stand up because you are a riot

I'm confused about what you guys are arguing over? Who has control over the cell tech? Right now, it would seem that while Sony owns the patent, they lack the capacity to produce it...which means they are beholden to Toshiba to continue to operate the facility. That means. Toshiba will be responsible for shifting the newer 45 production lines, and will have to implement the processes...so I can't imagine them doing so without some economic model to make the investment pay off. So, can you guys outline what points you'll are trying to make?

sure here is my point: he's makeing a big deal out of nothing.

Sony, Toshiba to form Cell processor JV

Sony Corp., Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. and Toshiba Corp. have decided to pool their resources into a joint venture that will take over manufacturing of the Cell processor and possibly other high-performance chips, they said Thursday.

Sony Corp., Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. and Toshiba Corp. have decided to pool their resources into a joint venture that will take over manufacturing of the Cell processor and possibly other high-performance chips, they said Thursday.

Although they are still negotiating details of the venture, they expect it to begin operations on April 1 next year. Toshiba will own 60 percent of the shares with the remainder split between the two Sony companies. The three companies and IBM Corp. previously collaborated on development of the Cell chip, used in the PlayStation 3 games console, and chip's companion RSX graphics processor.

Sony also said it will sell its 300-millimeter chip production line in Nagasaki, Japan, to Toshiba. The production line is currently used to produce the Cell chip and after the sale will continue to do so under the control of the new joint venture.

The line currently produces the Cell using a 65-nanometer process technology but under Toshiba's ownership will be transitioned to a more advanced 45-nm process. The step up in production technology means the Cell will be physically smaller and consume less power. It should also bring down the production cost of each chip.

Sony is trying to reduce hardware costs of components used in the PlayStation 3 so the deal should further that aim. It could also hasten the adoption of the Cell processor in other products. Toshiba and Sony have a long-stated aim of embedding the chip in consumer electronics products.

At this month's Ceatec exhibition in Japan Toshiba showed off a new processor based on the Cell. The SpursEngine multimedia coprocessor is based on the Cell Broadband Engine processor core and was demonstrated embedded inside a laptop PC assisting the main processor in carrying out some heavy-duty graphics processing.

Sony has also agreed to transfer its assets in another joint venture, Oita TS Semiconductor Corp., to Toshiba when the current deal expires in March 2008. The venture was established in 1999 to produce chips for the PlayStation 2 console.

I think the only people who would be surprised by this are people who believe that a system becomes dramatically more powerful when "Sony" is written on the case ...

Some of the best game developers have been working on the Cell processor for 4 years by now and have yet to demonstrate anything dramatically better than what can be produced on the XBox 360. While there may be a theoritical performance advantage for the PS3, and it may outshine the XBox 360 in some very carefully choosen benchmarks, I think it is fair to say that you will never see a dramatic real-world advantage for the PS3 over the XBox 360 in any game released durring this generation.

So, I'm not getting what the arguement is over? Toshiba controls the plant, and they agree to some transition the plant to be re-tooled for 45-nm production. Wwe don't know the details of it, but one can assume that is why Toshiba was able to get it so much cheaper...

HD-DVD might have lsot to BRD, but money is the operative word here...

Case and point, Resistance 2...thosse guys ALOT of years working with the system, and you put R2 next to GearsOW2...does the extra year matter that much...errr...no.