@ elendar

I know, but North America accounts for roughly 64.2% of XBox 360 sales, whereas North America only accounts for less than 40% of PS3 sales (considering North America had a headstart of a few months compared to Europe and many other parts of the world)

MikeB said: I think many people are misinformed by the media and maybe some XBox 360 fans. Blu-Ray in the PS3 is very desirable as a games media, even multi-platform games developers have complained about the lack on storage available on DVD for the XBox 360.

And what benefit have we seen from this? Heavenly Sword is a 6-7 hour game. That's just plain ridiculous. Twilight Princess is a 40 hour game, and it fits on a 1.5GB Gamecube Minidisc. There is NO BENEFIT to this extra storage space. You want to tell me why 50GBs of space haven't resulted in a game even half the length of 1.5GBs of space? Blu-ray has no benefit to the gaming industry as far as we have seen.

KBG29 said: I am starting to not really give a crap weather people by the PS3 or not. I mean even if Sony sells just as much as the Gamecube, but they have all kinds of services then this will be a very profitable platform for them. If people are happy with the 7 differant devices they have for 8k instead of the 500 dollars PS3 good for them. I will be content with the Best system for doing anything digital in the world.

While I'm glad you've finally come to the conclusion that market leader doesn't matter in the end as long as your system still has the games you want, I don't understand the 7 devices thing....

PS3 is a: gaming console, blu ray player, &.....?

Sure, you can argue PC, but please don't try to BS me that you've gotten rid of your PC because you have your PS3.
DVR? It's not a part of your $500 price and the HD/DVR aspect of my digital cable box still needs to stick around for me to get HD so I just paid extra to get something I can already do.
I'm trying to think of something else but........ I'm at a loss.

@ naznatips

How many months has the PS3 been available?

Do you realize some games take many years to complete? Final Fantasy XIII isn't a launch game just because they like to tease people!

Seriously it's foolish to judge the usefulness of Blu-Ray's storage based on currently available software. That would be like saying the PS2 wouldn't have benefitted from DVD's storage based on its launch game library (and believe me there were many people who criticized Sony for this at the time!) God of War 2 wasn't a launch PS2 game neither, if it would have been I would actually have bought a PS2.

dallas said: rocketpig said: dallas said: You mean a general purpose-device like a computer?  Well those haven't been doing well at all... Um, okay. If you can't see the difference between a computer and a specialized consumer electronic device, I'm not even going to argue with you. It's a four letter word that starts with a "w", ends with a "k", and has an "o" and "r" in the middle.   Yes, but my point is that the multifunctionality of a computer is what has made it so popular.

Except computers have 1000x the functions of a PS3 and the price of a computer can range from a few hundred to several thousand dollars depending on what you want. However, even beginning to compare a computer to a PS3 makes you a moron. Having multiple degrees in computer networking, technology and having worked in the computer field for 10 years I can tell you that computer growth is mostly due to business use and NOT home use. The majority of computers are used for business purposes, NOT entertainment. Entertainment is a secondary use for computers, it is the PRIMARY use for a PS3.

Oh yeah, you used your first post to call somebody a moron, while talking about your multiple degrees in computer technology. LOL that is BS at its finest and most likely you are somebody with multiple accounts, and if so you, you should be banned fast, Solidar.

 

"Except computers have 1000x the functions of a PS3 and the price of a computer can range from a few hundred to several thousand dollars depending on what you want. However, even beginning to compare a computer to a PS3 makes you a moron. Having multiple degrees in computer networking, technology and having worked in the computer field for 10 years I can tell you that computer growth is mostly due to business use and NOT home use. The majority of computers are used for business purposes, NOT entertainment. Entertainment is a secondary use for computers, it is the PRIMARY use for a PS3."

MikeB said: @ naznatips And what benefit have we seen from this? How many months has the PS3 been available? Do you realize some games take many years to complete? Final Fantasy XIII isn't a launch game just because they like to tease people! Seriously it's foolish to judge the usefulness of Blu-Ray's storage based on currently available software. That would be like saying the PS2 wouldn't have benefitted from DVD's storage based on its launch game library (and believe me there were many people who criticized Sony for this at the time!) God of War 2 wasn't a launch PS2 game neither, if it would have been I would actually have bought a PS2.

The problem with the whole "just wait" thing is that is exactly what people are doing. Why pay $600 for something now when it won't be really put to use for a year or more? Just keep waiting until the price is $400 or less and FINALLY the games are at the level Sony has been promising. But, the longer people wait, the more 3ps start sweating and looking elsewhere. The less 3ps, the more gamers looking elsewhere which results in even fewer 3ps. It's a downward spiral that will continue until Sony resolves this. One of the biggest problems I see is that Sony needs more than just really awesome games. They need a massively lower price so that the huge # of people that bought the PS2 at $200 or lower will finally consider the PS3.

ssj12 said: rocketpig said: ssj12 said: Sony really needs to advertise more on folding@home, their network, and the full experience not just games. I think if people actually knew all the things the PS3 could truly do sales would triple because it's worth every dime for every feature it has. That's just it; most people don't care about that other stuff. Convergence devices only succeed if the consumer doesn't have to pay a huge premium because such a large portion of them don't use a device beyond its primary function. Case in point: I reluctantly co-purchased a PS3 with a friend for reviewing purposes. Why the hesitation? The price and games. I DO NOT want Blu-ray or HD-DVD. There aren't many movies I want on the formats and there isn't enough of a performance boost over upscaled DVD to make it worth my while. I also don't want Linux; I already own four computers, thankyouverymuch. I don't want to compute on a slow machine using an inferior interface. F@H? Are you joking? Yeah, it's a nice thing to do but I'm not going to tout a $500 machine's ability to help cure diseases as a primary selling feature. The PSN, while showing potential, is still massively inferior to XBL. I hope they shore up this feature but it's definitely not something Sony should be bragging about at this time. And don't even bring up Home... I already tried Second Life on PC and hated it. To be brief, make it about the games, Sony. Stop dilluting your machine by offering features most people don't give a crap about and reaffirm why they bought the damned machine in the first place, gaming.   Additional features can become a major selling point. Also do you realize half the features in the console right now are, guess what, asked for by PS fans. For example; Remote access to the HDD by the PSP, was requested.  The general fact that the system makes it so that you dont need additional items is a major plus. Why have a CD player when you can use your console? I havent had a CD player in 5 years because of my PS2. Same with a DVD player. Did I just screw up your whole argument because theres plenty of people just like me who use our logic at buying an item that does multiple things then just one? Common sense tell me that 5 in 1 = less space taken up then 1 in 1 items. Ipod video sells well, how many people complain about it being able to play videos and music for it's stupidly high price? no one. If Sony advertised it as a gaming console with features x, y, z then that will make people think "hey this is a good deal."

You listen to CDs using a PS2? Hahahahahahahahahaha, that's awesomely funny.

dallas said: Oh yeah, you used your first post to call somebody a moron, while talking about your multiple degrees in computer technology. LOL that is BS at its finest and most likely you are somebody with multiple accounts, and if so you, you should be banned fast, Solidar.   "Except computers have 1000x the functions of a PS3 and the price of a computer can range from a few hundred to several thousand dollars depending on what you want. However, even beginning to compare a computer to a PS3 makes you a moron. Having multiple degrees in computer networking, technology and having worked in the computer field for 10 years I can tell you that computer growth is mostly due to business use and NOT home use. The majority of computers are used for business purposes, NOT entertainment. Entertainment is a secondary use for computers, it is the PRIMARY use for a PS3."

Excuse me, but I have been reading this site for a long time without posting like MOST people do. I finally decided to post because I am bored right now with nothing to do. And what exactly is BS? That I have multiple degrees? I assure you it is not. And ANY person that wants a real job HAS to have multiple degrees pal. You wouldn't understand that since you have probably never been to college.

elendar said: Dead Sqrl, I understand you are asking yourself which HD console to purchase. The ps3 or wii? I know its going to be hard to shrug off the sony loyatly but I assure you the grass is greener on the other side. Buy a 360. Thanks, Elendar

 I think you missunderstood, I have a Wii already.  I am planning on picking up a 360 or PS3 in spring/summer '08 most likely, although I have considered waiting until X-mas '08.  I have been keeping a close eye on all of the games that are truly exclusive and the problem I am having is that the vast majority of games I am interested in are on the PC also and my PC runs them perfectly.  This leaves only a handful of games that are truly exclusive, and an even smaller number of games that I am interested in.  So really, as far as my gaming interests are concerned there are negligible differences between them right now, which is why I am waiting for one of them to differentiate itself.

Anyways,  this thread isn't about my console decision. But thanks for your concern.