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Words Of Wisdom on 28 January 2009
docholliday said:

(1) The discussion you brought up before was about the financial ramifications. Now its about personal gain for the pirate? You cant argue money one time and then come back with morality the next. The two honestly have nothing to do with eachother.

(2) WHEN did I ever say that I pirated a single game ever? When? I said I thought about it, You mean to tell me YOUR that one mystically person who has never thought about doing something and then decided against it? Btw just took my pictures, im not sure how else to prove that all my games are legit, as im not about to take pictures of every damn receipt i have lol. But let me guess, I pirated all my games, bought the cases for them and printed out the covers, intstruction manuals right?

 

(1)  Amorality on the part of potential buyers has no financial impact on the company?  Funny that.

(2)  My apologies.  I'm sure you've never pirated anything. 

ChichiriMuyo said:

(1) In neither instance are you a thief.  Neither piracy nor sneaking into theaters are charged criminally as theft because neither is theft.  Theft occurs when one is deprived of their property.

Also, it's not a false dellima. If the person has no money to buy a game or see a movie then there is no way to take money from them.  The vast majority of priates come from third world nations and make 4 digit anual salaries.  Hold them by the ankles and shake 'til you're blue in the face and you still won't get anything from them.  If they have nothing to give and they don't actually deprive anyone else of anything they own,  There is neither gain to be hard or harm to be done in people playing a game they can't otherwise afford by pirating it.  Frankly, if they switched over to buying used copies the only people to benefit are the government and game stores, not the makers.  That is, after all, why companies like NIntendo and Sony took stores to court to try to stop used game sales a decade ago.  No one in the industry gets helped by it, and if the devs had their way they would eliminate gamestop before they took down the pirate's bay.  Guarenteed.

(2) That's like, your opinion man.

 

(1)  Theft of service

(2)  Duh.



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docholliday on 28 January 2009

Uploaded pics on profile, You be the judge and tell me if it looks like i pirated all that??? Oh and i'll be updating pics when my new 65in DLPTV gets here too, just waiting for those bastids to ship it to me.....cant accuse me of pirating that too can you? :)



twesterm on 28 January 2009
Zlejedi said:
Word of Wisdom - the big problem is that if he didn't pirate 20 games doesn't mean he would buy all 20 with cash as new copies from retailer. He could just as well buy two get 5 more from secon hand and rent rest for example.

 

You're missing the point-- whether the pirates say or don't say they would buy the game is irrelevant, they are still getting something for nothing.

Even if we pretend there's truth to the I would not have bought the game anyways argument, why should you pay and they shouldn't?  Games aren't made for donations.

 



 

docholliday on 28 January 2009
twesterm said:
Zlejedi said:
Word of Wisdom - the big problem is that if he didn't pirate 20 games doesn't mean he would buy all 20 with cash as new copies from retailer. He could just as well buy two get 5 more from secon hand and rent rest for example.

 

You're missing the point-- whether the pirates say or don't say they would buy the game is irrelevant, they are still getting something for nothing.

Even if we pretend there's truth to the I would not have bought the game anyways argument, why should you pay and they shouldn't?  Games aren't made for donations.

 

Twesterm you need to read the whole convo before responding and nitpicking his response. Zlejedi wasnt responding to if it was right or wrong to pirate, but to a post about the financial aspects of pirating. Hence why he broke it down in the way he did. Like I said before, without extensive research to prove a pirates habits, debating on whether or not they would actually buy the items in question if they had to is just null and void. Its nothing more than opinion with no proof to back it up.

 



Jereel Hunter on 28 January 2009
Fishie said:
Bonafide732 said:
speaking off of personal experience I know plenty of people including myself that proudly haven't spent a dime on any 360 games in a couple of years but own every game possible. I also know some people who do the same with the psp .. so why is it that piracy affects the psp more than the 360.. especially since its easy as pie to pirate both?? all I read around the net is how its not worth developing for the psp because of piracy..

 

 

Fuck you you fucking piece of thieving shit.

You are fucking PROUD that you have all games but havent bought a single one.
Well FUCK YOU.

 

I agree with the sentiments, though I think you could afford to calm down some. This is unless you were the owner of a small but well respected independant developer driven under by rampant piracy. In that case, you're greenlit to find this guy and kill him.



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twesterm on 28 January 2009
docholliday said:
twesterm said:
Zlejedi said:
Word of Wisdom - the big problem is that if he didn't pirate 20 games doesn't mean he would buy all 20 with cash as new copies from retailer. He could just as well buy two get 5 more from secon hand and rent rest for example.

 

You're missing the point-- whether the pirates say or don't say they would buy the game is irrelevant, they are still getting something for nothing.

Even if we pretend there's truth to the I would not have bought the game anyways argument, why should you pay and they shouldn't?  Games aren't made for donations.

 

Twesterm you need to read the whole convo before responding and nitpicking his response. Zlejedi wasnt responding to if it was right or wrong to pirate, but to a post about the financial aspects of pirating. Hence why he broke it down in the way he did. Like I said before, without extensive research to prove a pirates habits, debating on whether or not they would actually buy the items in question if they had to is just null and void. Its nothing more than opinion with no proof to back it up.

 

 

I admit I haven't read the whole conversation but that also doesn't matter to what I was pointing out. 

I saw two common things people use to justify their pirating:

  1. I would not have bought the game anyways
  2. I'm not actually stealing anything

For number one, it still isn't right that you're getting something for nothing.  Plain and simple.  It doesn't matter if you're telling the truth or lying, you're still getting something for nothing.  Making games is not a charity and you are expected to somehow pay, whether it be buying it new, secondhand, or renting, in order to get the entertainment.  That is why that argument is just plain flawed.

The other, I'm not actually stealing, is also flawed.  You may not be stealing anything physical, but you're still stealing nonetheless.  I haven't had time to read what WoW posted yet, but I'm pretty sure it's right as he usually is.

So, please, next time don't get so pissy someone responds in a public forum conversation.



 

freedquaker on 28 January 2009

Lemme tell you guys something about the countries where the Piracy is widespread. You should be aware of some facts before judging...

I have been and lived in Eastern Europe and even in the richest one (Cezch), people are usually not rich enough to buy the original games, which are simply too example. Now think about it, the minimum wage in Poland is less than $2 ($8 here) and games are at least 30-50% more expensive. On the average a game costs around $80-$130. So you need around $50 hours of work to earn 1 single game! (a week or so). In America, you'd earn it in 1 day. There are also many bargain deals etc (old games are usually much cheaper).

Besides, you can't find most of the games easily, only in big cities like Warsaw or Krakow. On top of everything, The subsistence level is much higher than in America and people hardly have money to spend on gaming.

I have personally observed the Eastern European life standards. I havent been to Southeastern Asia but I have had very many Chinese and Indian friends and I am sure the conditions in there is a lot worse. So, before blaming those people, we should understand the facts leading to that.



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docholliday on 28 January 2009
twesterm said:
docholliday said:
twesterm said:
Zlejedi said:
Word of Wisdom - the big problem is that if he didn't pirate 20 games doesn't mean he would buy all 20 with cash as new copies from retailer. He could just as well buy two get 5 more from secon hand and rent rest for example.

 

You're missing the point-- whether the pirates say or don't say they would buy the game is irrelevant, they are still getting something for nothing.

Even if we pretend there's truth to the I would not have bought the game anyways argument, why should you pay and they shouldn't?  Games aren't made for donations.

 

Twesterm you need to read the whole convo before responding and nitpicking his response. Zlejedi wasnt responding to if it was right or wrong to pirate, but to a post about the financial aspects of pirating. Hence why he broke it down in the way he did. Like I said before, without extensive research to prove a pirates habits, debating on whether or not they would actually buy the items in question if they had to is just null and void. Its nothing more than opinion with no proof to back it up.

 

 

I admit I haven't read the whole conversation but that also doesn't matter to what I was pointing out. 

I saw two common things people use to justify their pirating:

  1. I would not have bought the game anyways
  2. I'm not actually stealing anything

For number one, it still isn't right that you're getting something for nothing.  Plain and simple.  It doesn't matter if you're telling the truth or lying, you're still getting something for nothing.  Making games is not a charity and you are expected to somehow pay, whether it be buying it new, secondhand, or renting, in order to get the entertainment.  That is why that argument is just plain flawed.

The other, I'm not actually stealing, is also flawed.  You may not be stealing anything physical, but you're still stealing nonetheless.  I haven't had time to read what WoW posted yet, but I'm pretty sure it's right as he usually is.

So, please, next time don't get so pissy someone responds in a public forum conversation.

Once again, the debate wasnt about right or wrong. It had to do with the financial aspects of pirating and the affects it has on the market as a whole. I dont think anyone has actually came out and said its "ok" to pirate or that its a good thing. I know I said myself that I dont condone it. But im not here to pass judgement on something so miniscul when it comes down to the bigger picture and whats really important in life.

By the way I wasnt getting "pissy" but if your going to respond to a debate you should really know the whole convo before jumping in. That would apply to anyone, be it on the internet or in your everyday life. As a mod you telling me no to get "pissy" is just asking me to fire back at you and blow up, but im not gonna bite on that hook and get myself banned over something so silly.

 



Mr. sickVisionz on 28 January 2009

The 360 is expensive and you have to break open your system and pull out a soldering iron to mod it. Only the most hardcore of hardcore are willing to do that. With the PSP, you just pop in a battery pack and you're good to go.

The ease if what makes 360 piracy small enough to have no real impact. Now, if the 360 was like the Dreamcast where all you needed was Easy CD Creator and and an internet connection, I think piracy would be a major issue.



Nanaki on 28 January 2009
freedquaker said:
Lemme tell you guys something about the countries where the Piracy is widespread. You should be aware of some facts before judging...

I have been and lived in Eastern Europe and even in the richest one (Cezch), people are usually not rich enough to buy the original games, which are simply too example. Now think about it, the minimum wage in Poland is less than $2 ($8 here) and games are at least 30-50% more expensive. On the average a game costs around $80-$130. So you need around $50 hours of work to earn 1 single game! (a week or so). In America, you'd earn it in 1 day. There are also many bargain deals etc (old games are usually much cheaper).

Besides, you can't find most of the games easily, only in big cities like Warsaw or Krakow. On top of everything, The subsistence level is much higher than in America and people hardly have money to spend on gaming.

I have personally observed the Eastern European life standards. I havent been to Southeastern Asia but I have had very many Chinese and Indian friends and I am sure the conditions in there is a lot worse. So, before blaming those people, we should understand the facts leading to that.

And don´t forget, many games aren´t officially available in Europe. As JRPG lover from Europe, I know unfortunatelly very much. Gems like Xenogears, Xenosaga (apart from second), Tales of Abbys, Persona 2, Valkyrie profile and many more simply cannot be bouht in here.

 

So, it´s morally wrong to DL this games?