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ssj12 said:

Check this out: http://www.guzer.com/videos/awesome_vr_game.php

this is how gaming should be going (see previous arguements).

Going by this, the PlayStation Eye is closer to this tech then the Nintendo Wii. This would be a way more fun way to play games.


The PSEye is no closer to doing this than the Wiimote. Why does every single thing you find on the internet have to be made into a way you think the PS3 is better than the Wii? Also, this is REALLY old.


umm yes it is....

PSeye VR Motion/Sound Cap
Motion Capture: Check Check
Fast Capture: - Check
Sound Capture: Check Check
Capture full motion: - Check
Capture Minor motion: Check Check

 

The PS Eye is a few steps below but it is in the evolutionary path to that. And yes its old but hey its still more advanced tech.

Yes i know that was a horrid chart but for a 2 second type up it shows some of the differences.

 

Can a PSeye detect depth at all? If not its pretty much useless for anything other than a 2D side scrolling type game.

The PSeye is a more niche market in my opinion, it works with a few select types of games (such as this one). The Wiimote (and indeed the sixaxis to a lesser extent) are more versitile, they can be used for racing games RPG's, FPS, party games - pretty much everything.


look at what the PSEye does in Eye of Judgment. It renders a 3D creature out of a card, then if you make the motions around where the creature is, on screen it will make it seem like your petting or hitting your creature. Id say it picks up some depth of motion.


Actually that's more proof to my point. The program that made the monster react in Eye of Judgement clearly was not targeting anything but a motion nearby the card. It could not sense the size or even exact location of the object, just the presence of motion.


 and what do you think the video up there is? it sense that the person is moving. Senses motions. The program reacts. And the way I saw it when i was playing with it at the kiosk at E3 was that it could sense when something other then a hand was hitting at it. I took my notebook and smacked down on the card and the creature reacted as if getting nailed into the ground. 



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ssj12 said:
 

and what do you think the video up there is? it sense that the person is moving. Senses motions. The program reacts. And the way I saw it when i was playing with it at the kiosk at E3 was that it could sense when something other then a hand was hitting at it. I took my notebook and smacked down on the card and the creature reacted as if getting nailed into the ground.


But there is a huge difference.  It's not just sensing general motion, it's reading the depth, speed, size, and completely rendering the person in 3D while at the same time reading their motions.  The stuff on that is more advanced than anything that has even been used in movie rendering (I used to be a Graphic Design major).  There is a huge difference between rendering a 3D replica and registering every small motion it makes and simply registering the fact that there is an object nearby and it's moving.  You're notebook is simply the same thing, it could sense motion and reacted.  It wasn't rendering and mimicking the motion in a 1 to 1 situation.



look at what the PSEye does in Eye of Judgment. It renders a 3D creature out of a card, then if you make the motions around where the creature is, on screen it will make it seem like your petting or hitting your creature. Id say it picks up some depth of motion.

From what I saw it sensed motion and the location of the motion on the screen but from what I have seen (and I looked at quite a few trailers and demos before making this post) it doesnt detect any more. The only depth I saw it detect was that it detected the size of the cards (and hence the distance from the camera) and changed the size of the models as compared to that.



tiachopvutru said:

I thought some people, and some PS360 owners said they hated waggling the controller and would rather play a game in peace (ie. without any unnecessary motions, etc.) so why this? O.o;;

 

EDIT: not that I think there shouldn't be something like that 


Well said. How come the Wiis controller, which can be just a reg controller if it wants to be, is taking gaming in the wrong direction, yet doing away with the controller all together is great?! (which I dont like, I think sometimes you simply need a controller, there has to be some ballance, at least in this day of age)



A delayed game is good someday, a bad game is bad forever.

The OP obviously has some misconceptions about the functionality of the Eyetoy. I bought one a few years ago just so I could put my face into Tony Hawk then took it back the next day because it sucked.

My biggest complaint was that it lacked percision when playing the game specifically designed for the peripheral. Face capture was cool but it wasn't worth the money. With the Wii it has been proven that the controller has excellent percision if the developers know how to program the use of the remote correctly, this is something that just can't be done with the Eyetoy.



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This is an amazing anti-sony thread.

First of all, I dont see why the EyeToy (original) Couldnt do that in some shape/form. Why the new one couldnt do it I have no idea. Actually you wouldnt need a green-screen to do it.

Really, I can see next-gen. (2009) games doing that with the EyeToyHD. Why? Simple. Becuase the PS3 has the processing power to do it, and the EyeToyHD, has the video input to do it. Will it render you in 3D? No. Can you do an adventure game in full 3d? No. But then agian, the useful-ness of the Wiimote is limited in traditional games at well, so really, moral of the story, next-gen controls will always have problems with older types of games. Now I'm not saying would play ElderScrolls6. It would be a niche market. Kinda like most of us Sony guys, put the Wii. It's call.
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Kwaad said:
This is an amazing anti-sony thread.

First of all, I dont see why the EyeToy (original) Couldnt do that in some shape/form. Why the new one couldnt do it I have no idea. Actually you wouldnt need a green-screen to do it.

Really, I can see next-gen. (2009) games doing that with the EyeToyHD. Why? Simple. Becuase the PS3 has the processing power to do it, and the EyeToyHD, has the video input to do it. Will it render you in 3D? No. Can you do an adventure game in full 3d? No. But then agian, the useful-ness of the Wiimote is limited in traditional games at well, so really, moral of the story, next-gen controls will always have problems with older types of games. Now I'm not saying would play ElderScrolls6. It would be a niche market. Kinda like most of us Sony guys, put the Wii. It's call.
Get this.
General Audiance.
I love my EyeToy, and your a idiot if you think the EyeToy is a peice of crap, becuase it works wonders for video chat on my PS3. It also has a great mic on it.

There is so little programming knowledge in this post I don't know why I'm even trying to correct it.  Processing power has NOTHING to do with the built in functionality of the camera device itself.  The PSEye can sense motion and location of motion.  THAT'S IT.  There is no ability to render 3D models, there is no ability to sense depth, width, precise shape, all there is is motion.  This is a very cool video, but it has NOTHING to do with the capabilities of the PSEye or old Eyetoy.  There is some similar results to completely different functionality.  This isn't an anti-Sony post, but ssj12 flamebaited it claiming this was like the PSEye.  Saying this is like the PSEye is no different than the people who see animation demos and say "Cell can do it!"  He is trying to relate this to a technology that has next to nothing in common with it as a way of attacking the Wii.



Kwaad said:
I love my EyeToy, and your a idiot if you think the EyeToy is a peice of crap, becuase it works wonders for video chat on my PS3. It also has a great mic on it.

That was uncalled for.

No matter how good your arguments may be, once you resort to name calling every word you've written lacks crediblity.



Kwaad, the thread starter effectively said the eyetoy was more advanced than the Wiimote and when people refute that you call it an 'amazing anti-sony thread'?

Also the Wii has proven that its controller can be used to control traditional games, eg. Zelda and Mario. As far as the 3D era goes those are about as traditional as it gets.



See this is why Nintendo invented the Wii remotes. If they hadn't, people would look at this demo and say "Nahhhh that'll never happen," but now people are seriously considering it.