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theprof00 said:
dedis , as i already explained in my post right after that,
my point was not that it was an unenjoyable game, but that it could have been a LOT more enjoyable if only a little more was given.
If I were to review something I would review how many people would enjoy the game and give it an "enjoy" vs "unenjoyable" rating I would rank it based off of how much potential it lived up to.

 

We use an Entertainment Value in our reviews, trying to point out what made the game more or less enjoyable. Seems to work out pretty well for us.



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man i really have to start reading my posts for clarity.
when i say potential i mean, how potentially enjoyable was it?
a simple yes vs no is stupid.
it is enjoyable, but could have been a lot more so.



theprof00 said:
man i really have to start reading my posts for clarity.
when i say potential i mean, how potentially enjoyable was it?
a simple yes vs no is stupid.
it is enjoyable, but could have been a lot more so.

That's a good point, when I read (or watch) a lot of reviews, not only is the enjoyment factor not brought up, but when something gets slammed, it's just slammed.

In a couple of my reviews, I try to bring up some ideas on the way something could have been improved. Maybe adding a different feature here, doing this instead of that. By all means, I don't want to try and tell a developer how to do their job, but I think it's interesting when gamers voice what they want to see in a game, so I try to include that in my reviews.



Malstrom actually posted a very interesting (and very related) article on what happens to the incumbents of a disrupted industry.

http://seanmalstrom.wordpress.com/

To sum it up, the arrogance inherent in incumbents becomes all the more pronounced as the disruptive force takes over further, culminating in a total loss of integrity and often a petition to the government to bail them out (which is the incarnation of arrogance, asking the people to keep your business alive when the people have made it perfectly clear in the marketplace that they do not want to keep your business alive).

We're seeing the beginnings of this take place in the professional video game review industry, too. It's ripe for disruption, as their integrity sinks further and their credibility drops off into oblivion. All that would be necessary is the emergence of something which does a better job at providing the user with a look into what games are about to put the entire professional video game review industry into the downward spiral of self-destruction.



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that is interesting devo. is that your site on your sig?
i like your style because I feel if we, the gaming public, can realize a better idea than the developer, i feel that there must be at least some kind of missed connection.
Of course telling a dev what to do is lame, but i mean there are just so many times when i'm like, "If they made this box blue instead of green it would have made everything more legible and nicer"



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theprof00 said:
that is interesting devo. is that your site on your sig?
i like your style because I feel if we, the gaming public, can realize a better idea than the developer, i feel that there must be at least some kind of missed connection.
Of course telling a dev what to do is lame, but i mean there are just so many times when i'm like, "If they made this box blue instead of green it would have made everything more legible and nicer"

Yup, Lifebar's the site. We're launching the live stream this Saturday

I totally agree. Not to say that devs aren't at all connected with their game community, as obviously time and money constraints limit what can and can't go into a game, but it's just funny to see what makes the final cut for games.

Oh well!

 



Khuutra said:
Oyvoyvoyv said:
Khuutra said:
Oyvoyvoyv said:
I believe that the reason why very few (on VGC) complained about SMG getting a lot of 10's, is that, at that time, VGChartz was incredibly Nintendo owner dominated. So many loved the game, and the ones who didn't were simply ignored.
When GTA IV came out, Nintendo owners and Ps360 owners were about 50-50, causing a lot of dicussion and drama. Just a few weeks earlier, had the review system also been complained heavily about.
GTA IV was 2 things. 
1) Slightly over-estimated by reviewers, as they wanted it to be awesome
2) A change for Nintendo owners to let out their anger for the Wii having a smaller quantity of good games than the Xbox 360, and to a certain degree the Playstation 3.
That's why it was attacked.
After GTA IV, we entered a new fase with reviewers. Before, it had been so that people trusted reviewers, but ignored some reviews. Now, there were 2 categories. People who still trusted reviewers, and people who didn't. If a game not on your console recieved a good score, some morons would go out and complain about reviewers being biased. Before GTA IV, this would just be ignored, as a moron, but now this was accepted, and far more people did so.
  Does that make sense to people? Hopefully it does.  

And people, Okey, Konnichiwa and Outloawauron are correct. The Wii simply doesn't have the same quantity of quality titles as neither the 360 nor the Ps3. And please, do not embarass yourself by
A) Writing a list with all good Wii games and Wii games that will come out.
B) Say that the Wii has more games than the Ps3 and X360, and giving the number of titles each system has.
Why? Well, A) is stupid, as the Ps3 and X360 both have bigger lists, and B) has nothing to do with this. 

Okay, I am not saying that the Wii is not as good as the Ps3 or the X360 (frankly I prefer it to them), but it does not  have the same quantity of quality titles. That's a fact.  

 

You were doing well until you equated quality with something that can be measured objectively.


Reviews have never been important, if you weren't afraid to think for yourself. Nothing foolish about being stalwart in the formation of your own opinions.

 

Reviews are important as hell. Saying otherwise is moronic. Fact, is over 3/4 people look at a review to determine whether or not a game is worth buying. For the casuals, it's the review in their paper, or whereever.

I read them too, but I ignore the score. Case is, nothing is as good as a review to find out what kind of game a game is. If you refuse to read reviews, you're ignoring some of the people who are best at telling you what kind of a game the game is. You'll be missing out on important information.

To a certain degree I am doing that though, as I read relatively few reviews.

 

Quality cannot be measured totally objectively, but I'm fairly certain that most people would subjectively feel that the 360 has a bigger quantity of quality titles than the Wii. That's not a problem for most people though, as they're happy with the ~ 15 top notch titles on Wii.

 

 

 Reviews, as they are now, are worthless. The state of gaming journalism in general is worthless, but that's a much bigger issue having to do with the writers and the credentials of the writers in general, IGN being the poster child of the whole problem.

My use of Everyone in the post that Oyvoyvoyv is writing is an exaggaration, it's meant as mostly everybody.

Saying that reviews are worthless is some real ignorant piece of shit.

Everyone reads a review. Whether it's in their local paper, a magazine, or online, everybody does. They have a huge value to whether or not people buy a game.

Not only that, but reviewers are paid for what they do. If there were someone who were better at writing reviews directed at their readers, they would hire them.

The online reviewers aren't meant to tell how good the game is for everybody. They're meant to tell how good the game is for their readers. Thus, how good they think the game is will have nothing whatsoever to do with how the game sells.

Then there's the local paper writer. He writes how the majority of his users are interested in, and by their scale. For the average IGN user, this review would seem very shallow and stupid.

 

 

Edit: Ignore what I said about not caring about the score. I do. Having the 5 scores shows me what the reviewer valued, and is very important for me regarding a purchase, if I decide to use a review to help me out. I have somehow been fooling myself to think that I ignore the scores, but it appears I don't.



http://www.vgchartz.com/games/userreviewdisp.php?id=261

That is VGChartz LONGEST review. And it's NOT Cute Kitten DS

trestres said:
You are just not getting it. I'm not gonna cry like you did when they permabanned you, never. Every single game is getting a 90% review or a 50% one. There's no average anymore. Reviewers are elitists and graphic whores. Wii games will always get smashed or not even reviewed. Compare the amount of reviews multiplat games have on the Wii compared to the HD's.

The media hates the Wii as much as you do.

 

Dude what are you talking about? The IGN Nintendo team are Wii loving freeks, esp. Matt and Bozon. They are always uberhyping Wii games and telling people to buy them (ex. Zak & Wikki, Da Blob, The Conduit, Guitar Hero World Tour). It was also the Nintendo team that rated Guitar Hero World tour higher than the 360 or PS3 games. So I do not understand why you say "The media hates the Wii.."



I agree with reviewers most of the time but there are sometimes like the kingdom hearts 2 ign review that they make me angry.



WiiBox3 said:
trestres said:
You are just not getting it. I'm not gonna cry like you did when they permabanned you, never. Every single game is getting a 90% review or a 50% one. There's no average anymore. Reviewers are elitists and graphic whores. Wii games will always get smashed or not even reviewed. Compare the amount of reviews multiplat games have on the Wii compared to the HD's.

The media hates the Wii as much as you do.

 

Dude what are you talking about? The IGN Nintendo team are Wii loving freeks, esp. Matt and Bozon. They are always uberhyping Wii games and telling people to buy them (ex. Zak & Wikki, Da Blob, The Conduit, Guitar Hero World Tour). It was also the Nintendo team that rated Guitar Hero World tour higher than the 360 or PS3 games. So I do not understand why you say "The media hates the Wii.."

 

Since when does IGN Nintendo equals the whole gaming media? Are you completely out of your mind or what? I assume the only webpages you've visited in you entire life are wii.ign.com and VGChartz.

Sigh.



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