twingo said: Just looking at the line up. Exclusives LittleBigPlanet Wii Fit Killzone2 Is this an alternate dimension where Japanes stopped hating FPS games? Final Fantasy 13 Dragon Quest IX Metal gear Solid Super Mario Galaxy Fina Fantasy 13 Versus Dragon Quest Swords Gran Turismo 5 Mario Kart Wii White Night Story Final Fantasy CC: CB Monster Hunter 3 Super Smash Bros. Brawl Multi platform games Beautiful Katamari Many others but these should be big with the public over there. They are in perfect place to continue their great showings that started at GDC.

Not to say that they don't have some great things to show, but in a country owned 80% by Nintendo do you really see the games I crossed out being bigger than the ones I added in?  That's not even touching DS games other than DQ:S...

I agree, Windbane, Final Fantasy is definitely a big property in Japan, but it doesn't sound like you disagree that DQ is bigger there. The actual appropriate way to see which sells better would be a system-by-system basis, as there have been 5 Final Fantasies in the last 12 years, compared to 2 Dragon Quests (although a third is about to join that troop).

The PS2 Dragon Quest outsold the two PS2 Final Fantasies by .6 million and 1.2 million, respectively.

The PS1 Dragon Quest outsold the three PS1 Final Fantasies by .2, .5 and 1.2 million, respectively.

The two SNES Dragon Quests  outsold the two SNES Final Fantasies by about .2 and .3 million, and .65 and .75 million respectively (meaning the less popular DQ outsold the most popular Final Fantasy)

The three NES Dragon Quests outsold the four NES Final Fantasies handily (can't tell how much, since the FFs didn't crack a million).

The difference between the two has remained relatively stable over the past 15 years. 

Even with this noted, people should absolutely remember, as Windbane said, that Final Fantasy is a bigger deal overall because it sells worldwide, unlike DQ, which is a huge deal in Japan but almost forgotten everywhere else. 

Do keep in mind that Dragon Quest was a Japan-only franchise for a good chunk of the 90s.

windbane said: twingo said: johnsobas said: FF7 3.93 (PS1) FF8 3.64 FF9 2.80 FF10 3.02 (PS2) FF10-2 2.41 FF12 2.42 DQ6 3.19 (SNES) DQ7 4.12 (PS1) DQ8 3.61 (PS2) So evan the two lowest selling FFs out sale the highest selling DQ. So as far as sales two FF games > one DQ. Heh, clever. Anyway, most people just spout that DQ is so much more popular than FF in Japan because DQ doesn't sell as well anywhere else as it does in Japan. In reality, there is not much difference between FF and DQ in Japan. Name Console Publisher Japan America Others Total Dragon Quest VII Enix 4.12 0.21 0.00 4.33 Dragon Quest III Enix 3.77 0.10 0.00 3.87 Dragon Quest VIII Enix 3.61 0.47 0.60 4.68 Dragon Quest VI Enix 3.19 0.00 0.00 3.19 Dragon Quest IV Enix 3.04 0.08 0.00 3.12 Dragon Quest V Enix 2.79 0.00 0.00 2.79 Dragon Quest II Enix 2.41 0.15 0.00 2.56 Final Fantasy VII Square 3.93 3.09 2.70 9.72 Final Fantasy VIII Square 3.64 2.34 1.88 7.86 Final Fantasy X Square 3.02 2.74 2.19 7.95 Final Fantasy IX Square 2.80 1.66 0.84 5.30 Final Fantasy VI Square 2.55 0.87 0.00 3.42 Final Fantasy V Square 2.45 0.00 0.00 2.45 Final Fantasy XII Square 2.42 1.68 0.84 4.94   Only a few hundred thousand difference on each one, except the third, which has a .6 million difference. I'm curious how being on a handheld will make a difference.

 

That's not true at all, there is a very large sales difference between FF and DQ, because FF is in a huge sales dive.  If you compare the last FF, FFXII at 2.42 million vs. DQVIII at 3.61 million, you are looking at 43% difference in sales. 

As for how being on a handheld will make a difference, it's the DS.  The DS is a phenomenon in Japan, with core games and casual games alike selling like crazy on it.   New Super Mario Bros. sold 4.75 million on the DS in Japan, Pokemon Diamond and Pearl sold 5.29 million in Japan.  Do you really see one of the most popular franchises in Japan underselling it's predecessor now that it's on a much more popular game system?

naznatips said: twingo said: Just looking at the line up. Exclusives LittleBigPlanet Wii Fit Killzone2 Is this an alternate dimension where Japanes stopped hating FPS games? Final Fantasy 13 Dragon Quest IX Metal gear Solid Super Mario Galaxy Fina Fantasy 13 Versus Dragon Quest Swords Gran Turismo 5 Mario Kart Wii White Night Story Final Fantasy CC: CB Monster Hunter 3 Super Smash Bros. Brawl Multi platform games Beautiful Katamari Many others but these should be big with the public over there. They are in perfect place to continue their great showings that started at GDC. Not to say that they don't have some great things to show, but in a country owned 80% by Nintendo do you really see the games I crossed out being bigger than the ones I added in?

Yeah, I think the PS3 games are bigger there overall.  But I think it's more about Sony presenting their own case at this point.  All Sony needs to do is pick up their own sales in order to keep Japanese developer support for their top games.

Well if its any condolence I don't think things can get any worse for Sony. *knock on wood*

naznatips said: windbane said: twingo said:   Name Console Publisher Japan America Others Total Dragon Quest VII Enix 4.12 0.21 0.00 4.33 Dragon Quest III Enix 3.77 0.10 0.00 3.87 Dragon Quest VIII Enix 3.61 0.47 0.60 4.68 Dragon Quest VI Enix 3.19 0.00 0.00 3.19 Dragon Quest IV Enix 3.04 0.08 0.00 3.12 Dragon Quest V Enix 2.79 0.00 0.00 2.79 Dragon Quest II Enix 2.41 0.15 0.00 2.56 Final Fantasy VII Square 3.93 3.09 2.70 9.72 Final Fantasy VIII Square 3.64 2.34 1.88 7.86 Final Fantasy X Square 3.02 2.74 2.19 7.95 Final Fantasy IX Square 2.80 1.66 0.84 5.30 Final Fantasy VI Square 2.55 0.87 0.00 3.42 Final Fantasy V Square 2.45 0.00 0.00 2.45 Final Fantasy XII Square 2.42 1.68 0.84 4.94   Only a few hundred thousand difference on each one, except the third, which has a .6 million difference. I'm curious how being on a handheld will make a difference.   That's not true at all, there is a very large sales difference between FF and DQ, because FF is in a huge sales dive.  If you compare the last FF, FFXII at 2.42 million vs. DQVIII at 3.61 million, you are looking at 43% difference in sales.  As for how being on a handheld will make a difference, it's the DS.  The DS is a phenomenon in Japan, with core games and casual games alike selling like crazy on it.   New Super Mario Bros. sold 4.75 million on the DS in Japan, Pokemon Diamond and Pearl sold 5.29 million in Japan.  Do you really see one of the most popular franchises in Japan underselling it's predecessor now that it's on a much more popular game system?

FF12 wasn't turn-based and FF13 will be.  It will also be the first on the console.  Now, do I expect DQ9 to outsell it?  Yes, of course.  But FF13 will be much more of a system seller.

Finally, if you think there is a huge difference in sales I'll just disagree and we'll call it done.  I think the numbers speak for themselves.  DQ8 didn't sell as well as DQ7 or DQ3.  Does that mean it's going to continue to decline?

Well there is a long time between now and when FFXIII comes out so let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Since Square-Enix are whores for playing the field I don't see FFXIII going cross platform but you do have to remember that FFXII had a console with an instalation base of 120million and was a follow up to perhaps the most successful GBA game of all time, Tactics Advance. FFXIII has quite the disadvantage compared to its predicessor, let's just hope that Blue Dragon doesn't deflate the hype for FFXIII or Square's ability to make fresh games.

I honestly can not see Kingdom Hearts being a PS3 exclusive. It just fits so well into the Wii it would be ludicrous to make that one exclusive.

Hey Gballzack, finally you have an avatar that doesn't display something that makes me sick to my stomach. Unless that is a clipped picture of somethink much worse...

I think at worst FF13 will be a timed exclusive for Sony. I think it's clear that FF sells better world wide, DQ sells better in Japan. I think the arguments are pretty solid in that.

Oh and shame on the moderators for not locking this thread the moment it came into existence. If you thought this would be anything but more flame bait then.. How many mods do you have now. If I were a mod I would lock threads like this the moment they got out of hand this is just irresponsible.

windbane said: naznatips said: twingo said: Just looking at the line up. Exclusives LittleBigPlanet Wii Fit Killzone2 Is this an alternate dimension where Japanes stopped hating FPS games? Final Fantasy 13 Dragon Quest IX Metal gear Solid Super Mario Galaxy Fina Fantasy 13 Versus Dragon Quest Swords Gran Turismo 5 Mario Kart Wii White Night Story Final Fantasy CC: CB Monster Hunter 3 Super Smash Bros. Brawl Multi platform games Beautiful Katamari Many others but these should be big with the public over there. They are in perfect place to continue their great showings that started at GDC. Not to say that they don't have some great things to show, but in a country owned 80% by Nintendo do you really see the games I crossed out being bigger than the ones I added in? Yeah, I think the PS3 games are bigger there overall. But I think it's more about Sony presenting their own case at this point. All Sony needs to do is pick up their own sales in order to keep Japanese developer support for their top games.

Well I agree with you that Sony really needs to get developer confidence back up (Heck, Square outright said they would stop making games for the system entirely). I guess it's just a difference of opinion as to who has a stronger show.  I think Nintendo's is stronger overall, but I think Sony's is also very good.  I'm looking forward to TGS this year.