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libellule said:
to Gballzack,
==> You saied "its sales just declined" about soucalibur serie
then I can argue it is the same for SH serie, the sales declined BUT the game are great !!!
Well, to say the truth, I know that SH3/SH4 are not as good as SH1/2, for the majority of the SH gamers (including me).
But I dont see how u can prejudge for SH5 or even Origins since the game are not even out !
Finally, the point about SH5 was absolutely not to claim something like
"Wii will not have SH5"
but just answer to "finalsquall" that thougt the SH serie was a sony exclusivity.

were u trying to pick up a fight ? or maybe just to pick up a ban ?
...

libellule your response method is a nightmare, could you at least put a space between the original text and your response?

I also don't know what the point of your response was either? "The same can be said for SH series?" Of course the same can be said for the SH series, in fact I did say the same thing for the SH series, its sales have been declining too, its obvious. Did you even fully read my response before jumping head long into this mess of a reply? My argument was not that SH just sucked and SC just had bad sales, it was that SH had declining quality in games and declining sales as oppossed to SC which just had declining sales.

I'm not sure what prejudice you're talking about either, SH fans everywhere including yourself agree SH2 was the best and it has been downhill in quality since then and facts show the sales have been dropping too. I'm not sure what fight you're talking about myself picking either but the only person here seemingly eager to go fist-a-cufs is yourself in trying to make a big deal out of essentially nothing in a very clearly misconstrewed interpretation of someone else's argument.

You're out of your element here Donney.



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twingo said:
johnsobas said:


FF7 3.93 (PS1)
FF8 3.64
FF9 2.80
FF10 3.02 (PS2)
FF10-2 2.41
FF12 2.42

DQ6 3.19 (SNES)
DQ7 4.12 (PS1)
DQ8 3.61 (PS2)


 So evan the two lowest selling FFs out sale the highest selling DQ.

 So as far as sales two FF games > one DQ.


Heh, clever.

Anyway, most people just spout that DQ is so much more popular than FF in Japan because DQ doesn't sell as well anywhere else as it does in Japan.  In reality, there is not much difference between FF and DQ in Japan.

Name Console Publisher Japan America Others Total
Dragon Quest VII Enix 4.12 0.21 0.00 4.33
Dragon Quest III Enix 3.77 0.10 0.00 3.87
Dragon Quest VIII Enix 3.61 0.47 0.60 4.68
Dragon Quest VI Enix 3.19 0.00 0.00 3.19
Dragon Quest IV Enix 3.04 0.08 0.00 3.12
Dragon Quest V Enix 2.79 0.00 0.00 2.79
Dragon Quest II Enix 2.41 0.15 0.00 2.56

Final Fantasy VII Square 3.93 3.09 2.70 9.72
Final Fantasy VIII Square 3.64 2.34 1.88 7.86
Final Fantasy X Square 3.02 2.74 2.19 7.95
Final Fantasy IX Square 2.80 1.66 0.84 5.30
Final Fantasy VI Square 2.55 0.87 0.00 3.42
Final Fantasy V Square 2.45 0.00 0.00 2.45
Final Fantasy XII Square 2.42 1.68 0.84 4.94

 

Only a few hundred thousand difference on each one, except the third, which has a .6 million difference.

I'm curious how being on a handheld will make a difference.



twingo said:

Just looking at the line up.

Exclusives

LittleBigPlanet Wii Fit
Killzone2 Is this an alternate dimension where Japanes stopped hating FPS games?
Final Fantasy 13 Dragon Quest IX
Metal gear Solid Super Mario Galaxy
Fina Fantasy 13 Versus Dragon Quest Swords
Gran Turismo 5 Mario Kart Wii
White Night Story Final Fantasy CC: CB
Monster Hunter 3 Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Multi platform games

Beautiful Katamari

Many others but these should be big with the public over there. They are in perfect place to continue their great showings that started at GDC.


Not to say that they don't have some great things to show, but in a country owned 80% by Nintendo do you really see the games I crossed out being bigger than the ones I added in?  That's not even touching DS games other than DQ:S...



I agree, Windbane, Final Fantasy is definitely a big property in Japan, but it doesn't sound like you disagree that DQ is bigger there. The actual appropriate way to see which sells better would be a system-by-system basis, as there have been 5 Final Fantasies in the last 12 years, compared to 2 Dragon Quests (although a third is about to join that troop).

The PS2 Dragon Quest outsold the two PS2 Final Fantasies by .6 million and 1.2 million, respectively.

The PS1 Dragon Quest outsold the three PS1 Final Fantasies by .2, .5 and 1.2 million, respectively.

The two SNES Dragon Quests  outsold the two SNES Final Fantasies by about .2 and .3 million, and .65 and .75 million respectively (meaning the less popular DQ outsold the most popular Final Fantasy)

The three NES Dragon Quests outsold the four NES Final Fantasies handily (can't tell how much, since the FFs didn't crack a million).

The difference between the two has remained relatively stable over the past 15 years. 

Even with this noted, people should absolutely remember, as Windbane said, that Final Fantasy is a bigger deal overall because it sells worldwide, unlike DQ, which is a huge deal in Japan but almost forgotten everywhere else. 



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Do keep in mind that Dragon Quest was a Japan-only franchise for a good chunk of the 90s.



PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007

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windbane said:
twingo said:
johnsobas said:


FF7 3.93 (PS1)
FF8 3.64
FF9 2.80
FF10 3.02 (PS2)
FF10-2 2.41
FF12 2.42

DQ6 3.19 (SNES)
DQ7 4.12 (PS1)
DQ8 3.61 (PS2)


So evan the two lowest selling FFs out sale the highest selling DQ.

So as far as sales two FF games > one DQ.


Heh, clever.

Anyway, most people just spout that DQ is so much more popular than FF in Japan because DQ doesn't sell as well anywhere else as it does in Japan. In reality, there is not much difference between FF and DQ in Japan.

Name Console Publisher Japan America Others Total
Dragon Quest VII Enix 4.12 0.21 0.00 4.33
Dragon Quest III Enix 3.77 0.10 0.00 3.87
Dragon Quest VIII Enix 3.61 0.47 0.60 4.68
Dragon Quest VI Enix 3.19 0.00 0.00 3.19
Dragon Quest IV Enix 3.04 0.08 0.00 3.12
Dragon Quest V Enix 2.79 0.00 0.00 2.79
Dragon Quest II Enix 2.41 0.15 0.00 2.56

Final Fantasy VII Square 3.93 3.09 2.70 9.72
Final Fantasy VIII Square 3.64 2.34 1.88 7.86
Final Fantasy X Square 3.02 2.74 2.19 7.95
Final Fantasy IX Square 2.80 1.66 0.84 5.30
Final Fantasy VI Square 2.55 0.87 0.00 3.42
Final Fantasy V Square 2.45 0.00 0.00 2.45
Final Fantasy XII Square 2.42 1.68 0.84 4.94

 

Only a few hundred thousand difference on each one, except the third, which has a .6 million difference.

I'm curious how being on a handheld will make a difference.


 

That's not true at all, there is a very large sales difference between FF and DQ, because FF is in a huge sales dive.  If you compare the last FF, FFXII at 2.42 million vs. DQVIII at 3.61 million, you are looking at 43% difference in sales. 

As for how being on a handheld will make a difference, it's the DS.  The DS is a phenomenon in Japan, with core games and casual games alike selling like crazy on it.   New Super Mario Bros. sold 4.75 million on the DS in Japan, Pokemon Diamond and Pearl sold 5.29 million in Japan.  Do you really see one of the most popular franchises in Japan underselling it's predecessor now that it's on a much more popular game system?

naznatips said:
twingo said:

Just looking at the line up.

Exclusives

LittleBigPlanet Wii Fit
Killzone2 Is this an alternate dimension where Japanes stopped hating FPS games?
Final Fantasy 13 Dragon Quest IX
Metal gear Solid Super Mario Galaxy
Fina Fantasy 13 Versus Dragon Quest Swords
Gran Turismo 5 Mario Kart Wii
White Night Story Final Fantasy CC: CB
Monster Hunter 3 Super Smash Bros. Brawl

Multi platform games

Beautiful Katamari

Many others but these should be big with the public over there. They are in perfect place to continue their great showings that started at GDC.


Not to say that they don't have some great things to show, but in a country owned 80% by Nintendo do you really see the games I crossed out being bigger than the ones I added in? 


Yeah, I think the PS3 games are bigger there overall.  But I think it's more about Sony presenting their own case at this point.  All Sony needs to do is pick up their own sales in order to keep Japanese developer support for their top games.



Well if its any condolence I don't think things can get any worse for Sony. *knock on wood*



naznatips said:
windbane said:
twingo said:
 

 


Name Console Publisher Japan America Others Total
Dragon Quest VII Enix 4.12 0.21 0.00 4.33
Dragon Quest III Enix 3.77 0.10 0.00 3.87
Dragon Quest VIII Enix 3.61 0.47 0.60 4.68
Dragon Quest VI Enix 3.19 0.00 0.00 3.19
Dragon Quest IV Enix 3.04 0.08 0.00 3.12
Dragon Quest V Enix 2.79 0.00 0.00 2.79
Dragon Quest II Enix 2.41 0.15 0.00 2.56

Final Fantasy VII Square 3.93 3.09 2.70 9.72
Final Fantasy VIII Square 3.64 2.34 1.88 7.86
Final Fantasy X Square 3.02 2.74 2.19 7.95
Final Fantasy IX Square 2.80 1.66 0.84 5.30
Final Fantasy VI Square 2.55 0.87 0.00 3.42
Final Fantasy V Square 2.45 0.00 0.00 2.45
Final Fantasy XII Square 2.42 1.68 0.84 4.94

 

Only a few hundred thousand difference on each one, except the third, which has a .6 million difference.

I'm curious how being on a handheld will make a difference.


 

That's not true at all, there is a very large sales difference between FF and DQ, because FF is in a huge sales dive.  If you compare the last FF, FFXII at 2.42 million vs. DQVIII at 3.61 million, you are looking at 43% difference in sales. 

As for how being on a handheld will make a difference, it's the DS.  The DS is a phenomenon in Japan, with core games and casual games alike selling like crazy on it.   New Super Mario Bros. sold 4.75 million on the DS in Japan, Pokemon Diamond and Pearl sold 5.29 million in Japan.  Do you really see one of the most popular franchises in Japan underselling it's predecessor now that it's on a much more popular game system?

FF12 wasn't turn-based and FF13 will be.  It will also be the first on the console.  Now, do I expect DQ9 to outsell it?  Yes, of course.  But FF13 will be much more of a system seller.

Finally, if you think there is a huge difference in sales I'll just disagree and we'll call it done.  I think the numbers speak for themselves.  DQ8 didn't sell as well as DQ7 or DQ3.  Does that mean it's going to continue to decline?



Well there is a long time between now and when FFXIII comes out so let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Since Square-Enix are whores for playing the field I don't see FFXIII going cross platform but you do have to remember that FFXII had a console with an instalation base of 120million and was a follow up to perhaps the most successful GBA game of all time, Tactics Advance. FFXIII has quite the disadvantage compared to its predicessor, let's just hope that Blue Dragon doesn't deflate the hype for FFXIII or Square's ability to make fresh games.