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Welcome to the VGChartz Playstation Trophy League!

The trophy league provides a detailed view of the trophy information and progress of other VGChartz members. It’s also a spot where anyone can come to discuss any and all things trophy related.

To Join:
The trophy league is intended for active members of the VGChartz community. To join, you must have 100 or more forum posts and have been a member of VGChartz for more than one month.

1. Send me a PM with your PSN ID.
2. Add vgchartz1 or vgchartz2 to your PSN friends list.

Your trophy information will be added to the leaderboards in the next update.

Ranking:
Trophy league members are ranked in the trophy leaderboard based on a trophy points system. Under the points system, each trophy type is worth a certain number of points. Here’s the breakdown:

    * bronze trophies = 1pts
    * silver trophies = 2 pts
    * gold trophies = 6 pts
    * platinum trophies = 12pts

These are the same values that PSN assigns each trophy when determining a player’s gamer level, trophy progress in a game, and the trophy capacity per game.

Members are ranked in the platinum leaderboard based on a platinum points system. Each game has been assigned a difficulty rating out of five stars. The difficulty rating for each game is determined by a review of general impressions from a number of sources (including feedback posted in this thread) on how difficult it is to achieve the platinum trophy. The difficult ratings are added up for each game a member has earned a platinum for to determine the number of platinum points they have. For example, if you have earned three platinum trophies, Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune (**), Killzone 2 (****), and inFamous (**), you would have 8 platinum points (2 4 2).

Cheating:
Cheating is not tolerated in the trophy league. Cheating includes trophy glitching and account sharing. If you are caught cheating, you will be removed from the league.

If you discover that another person has been cheating, please report it.


Seasonal Leaderboards:

2010 Trophy League Season
2011 Trophy League Season

2012 Trophy League Season
2013 Trophy League Season
2014 Trophy League Season

Platinum Difficulty Ratings


Weekly Update - October 21st, 2014

2014 Trophy League Season

Rank Previous Rank VGchartz Username PSN ID Points to Date Starting Points Increase
1 1 veritaz Faster55 15379 10308 5071
2 2 Esquoret Esquoret 11372 7773 3599
3 3 ghettoglamour GhettoGlamour 10472 7866 2606
4 4 HideoK  HideoK 16197 13709 2488
5 6 Iveyboi Saugeen-Uwo 10407 8532 1875
6 5 Wonktonodi WonkTonodi1 7533 5662 1871
7 8 fps_d0minat0r fps_d0minat0r 6057 4238 1819
8 7 fadetoone FadeToOne 11628 9822 1806
9 15 Miguel_Zorro Miguel_Zorro 6215 4438 1777
10 9 DarthVolod DarthVolod 5001 3234 1767
11 10 michael_stutzer tahsin_sutcuoglu 4759 3218 1541
12 11 Tbone DPatriot 7330 5864 1466
13 12 luizje Luizje050 2101 658 1443
14 13 jake_the_fake1 Destroyerz_knite 7899 6489 1410
15 14 Jboy0990 jboy0990 8016 6625 1391
16 16 KylieDog KylieDog 14373 13039 1334
17 17 Dark Odin  lebeau 18019 16760 1259
18 18 badgenome PublicSudoku 11419 10188 1231
19 19 dj2one TWO1FIVE 7500 6319 1181
20 20 postofficebuddy postofficebuddy 5830 4677 1153
21 21 JazzyJeez JazzyJiaz 10935 9829 1106
22 22 Eindyien Eindyien 6967 5882 1085
23 24 mattbfg mattbfg 12581 11513 1068
24 23 ethomaz ethomaz 6517 5462 1055
25 25 Xenostar Xenostar 14091 13042 1049
26 27 eFKac Filip_Kackiewicz 3048 2065 983
27 26 maximus22 coximus22 5711 4735 976
28 28 ail  Aildiin 9132 8268 864
29 29 getrdone  getrdone25 11581 10749 832
30 30 Lafiel  Lafiel 3580 2752 828
31 31 sergiodaly SergioDaly 4831 4010 821
32 33 finalrpgfantasy Edward-rpgfan 3217 2401 816
33 32 Chevinator123 THE_CHEVINATOR 4327 3519 808
34 37 akuseru Troubl 4252 3449 803
35 34 Scisca Scisca 2495 1718 777
36 35 Arcturus  CityWokk 5016 4257 759
37 36 Blood_Tears Cold_Stare 5094 4365 729
38 38 docholliday docholliday03 11488 10787 701
39 39 arcane_chaos goldenmegazx 6306 5640 666
40 41 leatherhat Hatberserker 3393 2768 625
41 42 woj woj912 7447 6841 606
42 40 demonfox13 Onikenshi 4446 3855 591
43 43 spdk1 SPDK1 3243 2660 583
44 45 MasterVG71782 Akimitsu782 9496 8952 544
45 46 torok leotorok 1895 1353 542
46 44 mysticwolf SmashBro22 2005 1472 533
47 47 jadakiss1217 party29 2626 2124 502
48 49 brute TB-ALBON 1658 1185 473
49 48 RukiSama RukiSama 6684 6241 443
50 50 naruball xena4ever 3709 3269 440
51 52 think-man vankwisha 4930 4491 439
52 51 kivi95 Kivi95 5338 4921 417
53 53 Simulacrum Criminal916 2426 2048 378
54 58 Nanaki TurquiseNanaki 2344 1973 371
55 54 Acevil Acevil 2636 2268 368
56 55 DareDareCaro DareDareCaro 5197 4838 359
57 56 yum123 yenny10 3724 3366 358
58 57 yakuzaIce  YakuzaIce 3891 3547 344
59 61 V-r0cK V-r0cK-Kun 4452 4129 323
60 63 SnakeDrake Snakehunter25 3298 2981 317
61 59 Ssenkahdavic Ssenkahdavic 1083 766 317
62 60 Wagram AnimasPaine 4566 4253 313
63 62 Robbie2010 LogicOverAll 1801 1504 297
64 64 Ka-Pi96 Ka-Pi96 3321 3030 291
65 65 Branko2166 squall-23 3958 3680 278
66 66 Joka_  JOKA_THE_SMOKA 1496 1222 274
67 67 Devil_Survivor Devil_Survivor69 741 481 260
68 68 binary solo binary_solo69 2024 1789 235
69 69 SnakeEyez  SnakeEyez 1713 1482 231
70 83 xstonexcold316x  SP3NCE1325 1809 1583 226
71 70 sub-zero-TM TheSypherBoy7873 1742 1527 215
72 71 DamnTastic DamnTastic 2064 1850 214
73 72 wenlan  WoLoCo 5802 5589 213
74 73 goodfella kassanowa07 3177 2965 212
75 74 A203D A203D 3956 3745 211
76 75 Fusioncode FusionCode 1083 872 211
77 76 cmeese47 cmeese47 7615 7409 206
78 80 COLD_COBRA_ ColdCobra_ 3277 3073 204
79 78 mjk45 mjk45 2265 2062 203
80 79 zuvuyeay Zuvuyeay 2188 1985 203
81 77 ruimartiniman danceintothefire 3815 3614 201
82 81 ultraslick  UltraslicK 4812 4624 188
83 82 ThatGreekGuy Mitsos1311 1338 1155 183
84 84 Dgc1808 Detsuki-G 2620 2445 175
85 85 Finnbar Gonff 2273 2103 170
86 86 MaxwellGT2000 maxwellgt2000 1004 842 162
87 87 weaveworld Weaveworld 854 719 135
88 88 perpride Darth-Cidius 1778 1657 121
89 89 Chark GT_168 3996 3877 119
90 90 bmaker11  BoilerMaker11 661 549 112
91 91 radiantshadow92 radiantshadow92 3784 3674 110
92 92 REDZONE REDZONE_313 1837 1734 103
93 93 dharh dharh 527 434 93
94 94 phinch1 phinch 2887 2799 88
95 99 zexen_lowe zexen47 934 852 82
96 95 d2wi Dracens 165 86 79
97 96 Crystalchild Crystalchild 3916 3838 78
98 97 psrock  psrock1 321 247 74
99 98 yog-sothot yog-sothot 1353 1279 74
100 100 Mr_No jones_md 3065 3004 61
101 101 Stefl1504 Stefl1504 2191 2133 58
102 102 Fufinu Fufinu 1145 1092 53
103 103 Geo TheGeoKing 749 705 44
104 104 axumblade  Axumblade 2081 2043 38
105 105 Rainbow Yoshi Formula1Fanboy 361 330 31
106 106 rakugakist pulptarantino 1204 1173 31
107 107 homer power_hungryfool 1497 1469 28
108 108 Carl2291 CarlRushy 327 310 17
109 109 Gab gabeish 1735 1720 15
110 110 Corey Corza736 2121 2109 12
111 111 MDMAlliance anzolr 195 187 8
112 112 GhetooBillGates PERSIAN_CARTEL 2428 2424 4
113 113 Kantor LordElite 1396 1393 3
114 114 Conegamer conegamer 366 364 0


VGChartz Playstation Trophy Leaderboard

Rank Prev Rank VGchartz Username PSN ID Lvl Bronze Silver Gold Plat Total Points Plat Avg
1 1 Dark Odin lebeau 40 6177 2552 775 174 9678 18019 1.89
2 2 HideoK HideoK 37 6479 2147 654 125 9405 16197 1.95
3 3 veritaz Faster55 36 6421 2070 599 102 9192 15379 1.57
4 4 KylieDog KylieDog 34 5981 1658 558 144 8341 14373 2.30
5 5 Xenostar Xenostar 34 5979 1827 569 87 8462 14091 1.65
6 6 mattbfg mattbfg 32 5339 1530 463 117 7449 12581 1.92
7 7 fadetoone FadeToOne 30 5666 1397 396 66 7525 11628 1.85
8 8 getrdone getrdone25 30 4961 1378 458 93 6890 11581 2.00
9 9 docholliday docholliday03 30 4280 1513 461 118 6372 11488 1.83
10 10 badgenome PublicSudoku 30 5005 1308 415 109 6837 11419 1.95
11 11 Esquoret Esquoret 30 4080 1486 488 116 6170 11372 2.01
12 12 JazzyJeez JazzyJiaz 29 5575 1342 352 47 7316 10935 1.93
13 13 ghettoglamour GhettoGlamour 28 4682 1251 404 72 6409 10472 1.70
14 14 Iveyboi Saugeen-Uwo 28 6267 1131 271 21 7690 10407 1.48
15 15 MasterVG71782 Akimitsu782 27 3944 1144 380 82 5550 9496 2.00
16 16 ail Aildiin 26 3944 1127 313 88 5472 9132 2.31
17 17 Jboy0990 jboy0990 25 3216 954 336 73 4579 8016 2.01
18 18 jake_the_fake1 Destroyerz_knite 24 3265 895 328 73 4561 7899 1.90
19 19 cmeese47 cmeese47 24 3847 912 264 30 5053 7615 1.34
20 20 Wonktonodi WonkTonodi1 24 3105 888 312 65 4370 7533 1.81
21 21 dj2one TWO1FIVE 24 3786 918 223 45 4972 7500 1.75
22 22 woj woj912 23 3389 907 276 49 4621 7447 1.84
23 23 Tbone Dpatriot 23 3022 846 276 80 4224 7330 2.93
24 24 Eindyien Eindyien 23 2995 837 245 69 4146 6967 2.29
25 25 RukiSama RukiSama 22 3224 776 232 43 4275 6684 1.79
26 26 ethomaz ethomaz 22 2395 876 275 60 3606 6517 2.32
27 27 arcane_chaos goldenmegazx 21 3262 787 175 35 4259 6306 1.91
28 31 Miguel_Zorro Miguel_Zorro 21 2317 914 251 47 3529 6215 1.85
29 28 fps_d0minat0r fps_d0minat0r 21 2503 715 234 60 3512 6057 1.95
30 29 postofficebuddy postofficebuddy 20 2568 686 255 30 3539 5830 3.57
31 30 wenlan WoLoCo 20 2224 769 246 47 3286 5802 1.74
32 32 maximus22 coximus22 20 2537 681 226 38 3482 5711 3.08
33 33 kivi95 Kivi95 20 2838 635 163 21 3657 5338 1.90
34 34 DareDareCaro DareDareCaro 19 2253 626 182 50 3111 5197 2.2
35 35 Blood_Tears Cold_Stare 19 2592 600 179 19 3390 5094 1.37
36 36 Arcturus CityWokk 19 2454 636 163 26 3279 5016 2.15
37 37 DarthVolod DarthVolod 19 1313 992 200 42 2547 5001 1.26
38 38 think-man vankwisha 19 2608 516 167 24 3315 4930 1.78
39 39 sergiodaly SergioDaly 19 2215 516 186 39 2956 4831 2.03
40 40 ultraslick UltraslicK 19 2266 562 157 40 3025 4812 2.03
41 41 michael_stutzer tahsin_sutcuoglu 18 2255 616 158 27 3056 4759 2.32
42 42 Wagram AnimasPaine 18 1872 549 168 49 2638 4566 2.29
43 44 V-r0cK V-r0cK-Kun 18 2128 469 153 39 2789 4452 2.36
44 43 demonfox13 Onikenshi 18 2426 524 122 20 3092 4446 2.15
45 45 Chevinator123 THE_CHEVINATOR 18 2191 510 146 20 2867 4327 2.00
46 46 akuseru Troubl 17 1960 441 161 37 2599 4252 2.36
47 47 Chark GT_168 17 1724 515 153 27 2419 3996 2.27
48 48 Branko2166 squall-23 17 1752 434 163 30 2379 3958 1.55
49 49 A203D A203D 17 1642 461 154 39 2296 3956 2.41
50 50 Crystalchild Crystalchild 17 2048 457 115 22 2642 3916 2.14
51 51 yakuzaIce YakuzaIce 17 1707 438 148 35 2328 3891 1.83
52 52 ruimartiniman danceintothefire 17 2309 462 93 2 2866 3815 2.50
53 53 radiantshadow92 radiantshadow92 17 1920 440 126 19 2505 3784 2.11
54 54 yum123 yenny10 16 2050 444 111 10 2615 3724 1.78
55 55 naruball xena4ever 16 2123 439 100 9 2671 3709 1.67
56 56 Lafiel Lafiel 16 1820 421 123 15 2379 3580 2.33
57 57 leatherhat Hatberserker 16 1943 371 92 13 2419 3393 2.31
58 58 Ka-pi96 Ka-Pi96 16 1405 505 103 24 2037 3321 1.81
59 59 SnakeDrake Snakehunter25 16 1956 377 84 7 2424 3298 1.86
60 60 COLD_COBRA_ ColdCobra_ 16 1547 358 115 27 2047 3277 1.93
61 61 spdk1 SPDK1 16 1543 385 129 13 2070 3243 1.31
62 62 finalrpgfantasy Edward-rpgfan 16 1651 363 88 26 2128 3217 2.19
63 63 goodfella kassanowa07 15 1507 364 111 23 2005 3177 1.83
64 64 Mr_No jones_md 15 1667 363 76 18 2124 3065 1.89
65 65 eFKac Filip_Kackiewicz 15 1438 373 114 15 1940 3048 2
66 66 phinch1 phinch 15 1743 305 77 6 2131 2887 1.83
67 67 Acevil Acevil 14 1458 322 61 14 1855 2636 1.77
68 68 jadakiss1217 party29 14 1432 267 80 15 1794 2626 1.73
69 69 Dgc1808 Detsuki-G 14 1336 345 67 16 1764 2620 2.20
70 70 Scisca Scisca 14 1095 358 78 18 1549 2495 1.71
71 71 GhetooBillGates PERSIAN_CARTEL 14 1310 298 69 9 1686 2428 1.67
72 72 Simulacrum Criminal916 14 1406 306 62 3 1777 2426 2.67
73 73 Nanaki TurquiseNanaki 14 1254 257 64 16 1591 2344 2.00
74 74 Finnbar Gonff 14 1391 249 56 4 1700 2273 1.50
75 75 mjk45 mjk45 14 1571 218 39 2 1830 2265 2.00
76 76 Stefl1504 Stefl1504 14 1487 190 50 2 1729 2191 2.00
77 77 zuvuyeay Zuvuyeay 14 1090 285 68 10 1453 2188 1.6
78 78 Corey Corza736 13 1307 233 48 5 1593 2121 2.00
79 79 luizje Luizje050 13 721 357 79 16 1173 2101 2.13
80 80 axumblade Axumblade 13 1191 223 58 8 1480 2081 1.29
81 81 DamnTastic DamnTastic 13 1202 197 66 6 1471 2064 2.2
82 82 binary solo binary_solo69 13 1042 257 60 9 1368 2024 2.00
83 83 mysticwolf SmashBro22 13 1263 212 39 7 1521 2005 1.60
84 84 torok leotorok 13 1247 186 36 5 1474 1895 1.60
85 85 REDZONE REDZONE_313 13 1059 215 42 8 1324 1837 2.13
86 88 xstonexcold316x SP3NCE1325 13 1067 227 44 2 1340 1809 1.00
87 86 Robbie2010 LogicOverAll 13 929 238 58 4 1229 1801 1.50
88 87 perpride Darth-Cidius 13 966 211 47 9 1233 1778 2.00
89 89 sub-zero-TM TheSypherBoy7873 13 1070 180 42 5 1297 1742 2.00
90 90 Gab gabeish 13 857 256 45 8 1166 1735 2.20
91 91 SnakeEyez SnakeEyez 13 997 217 41 3 1258 1713 2.33
92 92 brute TB-ALBON 13 754 218 58 10 1040 1658 2.00
93 93 homer power_hungryfool 12 827 179 40 6 1052 1497 1.83
94 94 Joka_ JOKA_THE_SMOKA 12 872 153 41 6 1072 1496 2.60
95 95 Kantor LordElite 12 842 175 28 3 1048 1396 2.00
96 96 yog-sothot yog-sothot 12 721 181 35 5 942 1353 2.20
97 97 ThatGreekGuy Mitsos1311 12 802 169 29 2 1002 1338 1.00
98 98 rakugakist pulptarantino 12 556 126 46 10 738 1204 1.90
99 99 Fufinu Fufinu 12 735 109 24 4 872 1145 2.00
100 100 Ssenkahdavic Ssenkahdavic 12 671 107 25 4 807 1083 2.25
101 101 Fusioncode FusionCode 12 659 110 28 3 800 1083 2.00
102 102 MaxwellGT2000 maxwellgt2000 11 684 106 16 1 807 1004 2.00
103 103 zexen_lowe zexen47 11 600 101 18 2 721 934 1.5
104 104 weaveworld Weaveworld 10 500 105 18 3 626 854 1.67
105 105 Geo TheGeoKing 9 347 105 26 3 481 749 1.67
106 106 Devil_Survivor Devil_Survivor69 9 439 73 18 4 534 741 1.75
107 107 bmaker11 BoilerMaker11 8 501 65 5 0 571 661  - 
108 108 dharh dharh 7 381 49 8 0 438 527  - 
109 109 Conegamer conegamer 6 214 46 10 0 270 366  - 
110 110 Rainbow Yoshi Formula1Fanboy 6 265 27 7 0 299 361  - 
111 111 Carl2291 CarlRushy 6 179 50 6 1 236 327 1.00
112 112 psrock psrock1 6 257 20 4 0 281 321  - 
113 113 MDMAlliance anzolr 5 105 15 8 1 129 195 1.00
114 114 d2wi Dracens 5 107 14 5 0 126 165  - 


Platinum Leaderboard

VGchartz Username PSN ID Platinum Count Platinum Points Plat Difficulty Avg
KylieDog KylieDog 144 329 2.28
Dark Odin lebeau 174 315 1.81
HideoK HideoK 125 238 1.90
Tbone Dpatriot 80 234 2.93
Esquoret Esquoret 116 231 1.99
mattbfg mattbfg 117 225 1.92
badgenome PublicSudoku 109 213 1.95
docholliday docholliday03 118 210 1.78
ail Aildiin 88 203 2.31
getrdone getrdone25 93 186 2.00
MasterVG71782 Akimitsu782 82 164 2.00
Eindyien Eindyien 69 158 2.29
veritaz Faster55 102 155 1.52
Jboy0990 jboy0990 73 147 2.01
Xenostar Xenostar 87 139 1.60
ethomaz ethomaz 60 137 2.28
jake_the_fake1 Destroyerz_knite 73 137 1.88
fadetoone FadeToOne 66 122 1.85
ghettoglamour GhettoGlamour 72 117 1.63
maximus22 coximus22 38 114 3.00


Busiest Members

VGchartz Username PSN ID Pts This Week Pts Last Week Increase
Miguel_Zorro Miguel_Zorro 6215 5779 436
veritaz Faster55 15379 15215 164
ghettoglamour GhettoGlamour 10472 10350 122
DarthVolod DarthVolod 5001 4921 80
akuseru Troubl 4252 4173 79
Esquoret Esquoret 11372 11294 78
HideoK HideoK 16197 16140 57
Iveyboi Saugeen-Uwo 10407 10350 57
fps_d0minat0r fps_d0minat0r 6057 6007 50
xstonexcold316x SP3NCE1325 1809 1761 48


Platinum Trophies Earned

docholliday Rayman Legends
Esquoret Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor
veritaz Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor
fps_d0minat0r Guacamelee!
ghettoglamour Ratchet & Clank 2
Jboy0990 Dust: An Elysian Tail
Miguel_Zorro Sound Shapes
SnakeDrake Ni No Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
akuseru Persona 4: Golden
V-r0cK Naruto Shippuden: UNS Revolution
Wonktonodi Dead Nation

 

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Yeah for the new thread! I'm glad that you're in charge now since you put so much effort into the previous thread.

 

EDIT: Oh, and first.



Neato, next week will be fun.

Thanks for doing it, Arcturus. Great job!

Two more games should be included in the "Current Games That Support Trophies" list:
Ferrari Challenge
Mainichi Issyo


It (PS3's market share) might hit 30%, but definently not more. ~ Neo

Flaming (Calling another user (any user) a fanboy is flaming.) ~ Machina-AX

So Bronze = 1

Silver = 2

gold = 6

Platinum = 12?

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Uncharted is the only game I have that support trophies.

 Next Gen 

11/20/09 04:25 makingmusic476 Warning Other (Your avatar is borderline NSFW. Please keep it for as long as possible.)
Yes DmeisterJ, that's the standard value that was computed based on what trophies retails and PSN games have.


I'm going to drop down the ranking with this update and Burnout will make it even worse :((
Hopefully I will be back in top 5 in 3-4 weeks though..

PS : Stupid Ferrarri challenge trophies are not out in the US :((((

PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Burnout and Wipeout will get it on thursday.

Is this still just based on points and not work?

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^Everything is the same as it was. And we are not changing it so stop asking.