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leo-j said:
eab said:
I think it would be a good idea sales wise and definatly hurt the Wii, but the Wii would win in the end. The common buyer wants the newest and best thing.

If this rumor is true in one year people will look and see there are two consoles with motion sensing. One came out a year a half ago, one is 8 years old. Add to the fact that there has been a huge media hype over the Wii, and more people will probably go for that option.

And the fact that this would split the Sony devs in half, lower support for the PS3. Still, it would hurt the Wii sales a bit, no denying that.

Its like everyone completly ignores the ps3 as if its dated old and junk, the ps3 has motion sensitive controls as well.


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This would just show everyone that anything Nintendo puts out Sony will copy to make a quick buck.



windbane said:

First of all, Sony had the Eye Toy before, and now has Sixaxis. They are not shying away from motion control. Your target there is Microsoft.

The rest of PS2's library does not suddenly go away. Not all games need waggle. I am saying the $99 PS2 would be very tempting for a lot of people because of the library as well as the new controller.

A lot of games are already on the Wii and PS2 (and PSP for that matter). Games would merely require a controller option for future ports.

Edit:  Again, I say it would be a geinus move.  It would marginalize the Wii's advantage. 

But Nintendo had a Powerglove and Virtual Boy and Sony was just copying those with the Eye toy. :P

I do agree that it would definitely take a little thunder out of the Wii though. Anyone who thinks that devs wouldn't jump on this while it's still hot is deranged. Making a game for 120mln users is easy to decide on. Don't froget that the PS Remote would automatically work with PS3's as well.

Definitely would be a geinus(?) move.



eab said:

Not to mention the fact that such an obvious copy cat model would lower public support.

Anyway, if this rumor is true in one year people will look and see there are two consoles with motion sensing. One came out a year a half ago, one is 8 years old. Add to the fact that there has been a huge media hype over the Wii, and more people will probably go for that option.

And the fact that this would split the Sony devs in half, lower support for the PS3. Still, it would hurt the Wii sales a bit, no denying that.


I agree with your first post. If Sony pulled this now with the PS2, it would reek of "me too" imitation crap. 

The second one, I'm not too sure. The PS2 is a dinosaur by electronics standards, but if there is one thing going for it, it's the installed user base. These guys are still buying games. Hell, I even recently replaced my faulty PS2 because of the catalog of games I have!

This user base may be thinking: "Geez, I'd love to get the PS3, but it's too expensive! The Wii has waggle and that's cool, but if I buy a Wii now I'd be 250 bucks short, money that could be spent on the PS3!"

Just playing devil's advocate, but given these circumstances, the PS2 owner may be interested if they saw a PS2 peripheral that gave you the waggle with a bundled game via a peripheral that is an add-on to the PS2, in the same way that you plug your wireless controllers into the PS2's control port.

People buy drum kits for DrumMania. People buy dance pads for Dance Dance Revolution. People buy guitars for Guitar Hero. People buy turntables for DJMix or whatever it's called. People buy congas for that Donkey Kong game.

While none of these peripherals have sold like mad, the point is, Sony doesn't really need PS2 waggle to sell like crazy. All they need to do is offer it; some will buy it, some won't but the world will then see that there is another console capable of waggle (OK, the PS3 has it as well, but it's far from the console's selling point - rumble for the PS3 is probably more in demand than motion control for the PS3!) and they can have it on their existing console. They don't have to buy the Wii anymore, and they can continue to save their dollars for the PS3.

I for one would certainly buy PS2 waggle if only to try it out, but then again, I always buy any controller or peripheral under the sun. I'd also love to compare the PS2 version's capabilities against the Wiis.  



vizunary said:
windbane said:

First of all, Sony had the Eye Toy before, and now has Sixaxis. They are not shying away from motion control. Your target there is Microsoft.

The rest of PS2's library does not suddenly go away. Not all games need waggle. I am saying the $99 PS2 would be very tempting for a lot of people because of the library as well as the new controller.

A lot of games are already on the Wii and PS2 (and PSP for that matter). Games would merely require a controller option for future ports.

Edit: Again, I say it would be a geinus move. It would marginalize the Wii's advantage.

But Nintendo had a Powerglove and Virtual Boy and Sony was just copying those with the Eye toy. :P

I do agree that it would definitely take a little thunder out of the Wii though. Anyone who thinks that devs wouldn't jump on this while it's still hot is deranged. Making a game for 120mln users is easy to decide on. Don't froget that the PS Remote would automatically work with PS3's as well.

Definitely would be a geinus(?) move.


 Once again, Sony has already denied this long ago: http://www.ps3center.net/story-630.html

This rumor has come, gotten squashed, and gone away.

But the real flaw, Vizunary, is that the devs would not be making games for a platform with 120 million users. They'd be making games for a platform with 0 users, as no one owns the controller necessary to play the games right now! Do you see people lining up to make games for the new Eyetoy? Or how about even the old Eyetoy? How about the Guitar Hero guitar? There are less than 15 games total for the Eyetoy -- all but one of them made by Sony itself. Every game that uses the Guitar is made by the Guitar's initial creator

The reason is simple: the games are not selling to an entire market, they will only sell to that small subsection of platform owners that own the peripheral. 

All this would do is completely validate Nintendo's strategy. Thus far, everyone in Sony has insisted that the Wii is a fad, and that eventually everyone will fall in love with the PS3. Whether we agree with that or not, that's been their PR position. This move would state, rather loudly, that Nintendo had it right all along, and Sony is playing catch up. 

It's not just that I think this wouldn't be a genius move -- I think it would be a disastrous one. It would simultaneously lessen the PS3's sales potential by reinvesting a good deal of Sony's finances back in to the PS2, while giving the Wii more credibility. Nintendo would dance with glee if Sony decided to do such a thing, so I wasn't remotely surprised when Sony summarily denied that any such peripheral was in development -- not now, not ever. 



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gorgepir said:
Strange that you are looking forward to motion sensing and last generation graphics so much. Really strange. Having motion sensing and GOW? I thought you were against motion sensing and "previous generation graphics". I guess you are probably just being hypocrites.
I said it was my opinion. I don't think a company should think of the past. They should put all their support on PS3. You are entitled to your opinion (which in my opinion is definitely fanboyish), but to think that the PS2 will compete with the Wii? Really absurd. Maybe a better thing to say was if PS2 gets Wiimotes then it could compete with the PS3.
@ theshoe23 : WTF? do you really think like a 15 year old or are you really 15? Why would it hurt?

Isn't the PS2 still selling pretty well? So it is ALREADY competing with the other consoles, and with a $99 or lower price point this Xmas, it will STILL be a contender. Didn't it "win" last Xmas?

@Bodhetsva, I'm just kidding here anyways, I don't think this will actually happen, but who knows? As for the Guitar Hero guitar, Rock band is going to be able to use it, so that's.... 2 devs, LOL



vizunary said:
gorgepir said:
Strange that you are looking forward to motion sensing and last generation graphics so much. Really strange. Having motion sensing and GOW? I thought you were against motion sensing and "previous generation graphics". I guess you are probably just being hypocrites.
I said it was my opinion. I don't think a company should think of the past. They should put all their support on PS3. You are entitled to your opinion (which in my opinion is definitely fanboyish), but to think that the PS2 will compete with the Wii? Really absurd. Maybe a better thing to say was if PS2 gets Wiimotes then it could compete with the PS3.
@ theshoe23 : WTF? do you really think like a 15 year old or are you really 15? Why would it hurt?

Isn't the PS2 still selling pretty well? So it is ALREADY competing with the other consoles, and with a $99 or lower price point this Xmas, it will STILL be a contender. Didn't it "win" last Xmas?

@Bodhetsva, I'm just kidding here anyways, I don't think this will actually happen, but who knows? As for the Guitar Hero guitar, Rock band is going to be able to use it, so that's.... 2 devs, LOL


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Adding a motion sensing controller would have been amazing for the PS2.... 2-3 years ago.

The reason PS2 and Wii are sharing games is because ignorant developers who didn't have the foresight to make games on the Wii who then saw it's popularity explode and then rushed to throw whatever they could on it. That's pretty easy to figure out.

At this point a PS2 motion sensing controller would have minimal success at best, not many developers would make games for it. And don't give me this crap the Wii and PS2 can produce the same Graphics, Wii's more powerful then GC which was FAR more capable then the PS2, anybody who doesn't know this needs to take a look back and read specs.

Last gen is relative, it's not amazingly powerful like PS3/xbox360 and I won't pretend it is, but it IS smaller and runs far more energy efficient on less power then "last gen" equipment. In addition it's marginally stronger then the last round of consoles, about the same margin of growth in EVERY generation prior to this one. At this point they'd have to put that controller on the PS3 and make it remarkably*coughripnintendooffagaincough* similar to the Wii's. Sorry normally I try to be fair an objectionable but some of the crap I'm reading spewed on this thread makes me sick... who the hell cares who's winning and who's competing with who or how...enjoy the games.. enjoy them all and you win.



I've read a number (but not all) of the comments and agree with a lot with what's being said:

1. By repositioning the PS2 against the Wii, Sony is going to have to split their resources between the two and support both. And if the control really takes off, how will they integrate that into the PS3? I think it's too risky and would most likely backfire. Sony needs to focus on the PSP and PS3 and continue with the strategy they created. It's not a terrible one and may eventually pay off.

2. There's more to the Wii than the Wiimote. Yes, that's a main feature, but the channels, slick design of the console, and games are a complete package that sells the system. A PS2 with a motion controller is still just a PS2 with a motion controller.



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souixan said:
Adding a motion sensing controller would have been amazing for the PS2.... 2-3 years ago.

The reason PS2 and Wii are sharing games is because ignorant developers who didn't have the foresight to make games on the Wii who then saw it's popularity explode and then rushed to throw whatever they could on it. That's pretty easy to figure out.

At this point a PS2 motion sensing controller would have minimal success at best, not many developers would make games for it. And don't give me this crap the Wii and PS2 can produce the same Graphics, Wii's more powerful then GC which was FAR more capable then the PS2, anybody who doesn't know this needs to take a look back and read specs.

Last gen is relative, it's not amazingly powerful like PS3/xbox360 and I won't pretend it is, but it IS smaller and runs far more energy efficient on less power then "last gen" equipment. In addition it's marginally stronger then the last round of consoles, about the same margin of growth in EVERY generation prior to this one. At this point they'd have to put that controller on the PS3 and make it remarkably*coughripnintendooffagaincough* similar to the Wii's. Sorry normally I try to be fair an objectionable but some of the crap I'm reading spewed on this thread makes me sick... who the hell cares who's winning and who's competing with who or how...enjoy the games.. enjoy them all and you win.

The Wii is as powerful as the Xbox. The PS2 destroyed the Xbox. The Wiimote costs hardly anything to produce and is the only unique part of the console of worth to gaming.