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vizunary said:
gorgepir said:
Strange that you are looking forward to motion sensing and last generation graphics so much. Really strange. Having motion sensing and GOW? I thought you were against motion sensing and "previous generation graphics". I guess you are probably just being hypocrites.
I said it was my opinion. I don't think a company should think of the past. They should put all their support on PS3. You are entitled to your opinion (which in my opinion is definitely fanboyish), but to think that the PS2 will compete with the Wii? Really absurd. Maybe a better thing to say was if PS2 gets Wiimotes then it could compete with the PS3.
@ theshoe23 : WTF? do you really think like a 15 year old or are you really 15? Why would it hurt?

Isn't the PS2 still selling pretty well? So it is ALREADY competing with the other consoles, and with a $99 or lower price point this Xmas, it will STILL be a contender. Didn't it "win" last Xmas?

@Bodhetsva, I'm just kidding here anyways, I don't think this will actually happen, but who knows? As for the Guitar Hero guitar, Rock band is going to be able to use it, so that's.... 2 devs, LOL


 Haha, didn't catch the tone, sorry man. <3



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Adding a motion sensing controller would have been amazing for the PS2.... 2-3 years ago.

The reason PS2 and Wii are sharing games is because ignorant developers who didn't have the foresight to make games on the Wii who then saw it's popularity explode and then rushed to throw whatever they could on it. That's pretty easy to figure out.

At this point a PS2 motion sensing controller would have minimal success at best, not many developers would make games for it. And don't give me this crap the Wii and PS2 can produce the same Graphics, Wii's more powerful then GC which was FAR more capable then the PS2, anybody who doesn't know this needs to take a look back and read specs.

Last gen is relative, it's not amazingly powerful like PS3/xbox360 and I won't pretend it is, but it IS smaller and runs far more energy efficient on less power then "last gen" equipment. In addition it's marginally stronger then the last round of consoles, about the same margin of growth in EVERY generation prior to this one. At this point they'd have to put that controller on the PS3 and make it remarkably*coughripnintendooffagaincough* similar to the Wii's. Sorry normally I try to be fair an objectionable but some of the crap I'm reading spewed on this thread makes me sick... who the hell cares who's winning and who's competing with who or how...enjoy the games.. enjoy them all and you win.



I've read a number (but not all) of the comments and agree with a lot with what's being said:

1. By repositioning the PS2 against the Wii, Sony is going to have to split their resources between the two and support both. And if the control really takes off, how will they integrate that into the PS3? I think it's too risky and would most likely backfire. Sony needs to focus on the PSP and PS3 and continue with the strategy they created. It's not a terrible one and may eventually pay off.

2. There's more to the Wii than the Wiimote. Yes, that's a main feature, but the channels, slick design of the console, and games are a complete package that sells the system. A PS2 with a motion controller is still just a PS2 with a motion controller.



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souixan said:
Adding a motion sensing controller would have been amazing for the PS2.... 2-3 years ago.

The reason PS2 and Wii are sharing games is because ignorant developers who didn't have the foresight to make games on the Wii who then saw it's popularity explode and then rushed to throw whatever they could on it. That's pretty easy to figure out.

At this point a PS2 motion sensing controller would have minimal success at best, not many developers would make games for it. And don't give me this crap the Wii and PS2 can produce the same Graphics, Wii's more powerful then GC which was FAR more capable then the PS2, anybody who doesn't know this needs to take a look back and read specs.

Last gen is relative, it's not amazingly powerful like PS3/xbox360 and I won't pretend it is, but it IS smaller and runs far more energy efficient on less power then "last gen" equipment. In addition it's marginally stronger then the last round of consoles, about the same margin of growth in EVERY generation prior to this one. At this point they'd have to put that controller on the PS3 and make it remarkably*coughripnintendooffagaincough* similar to the Wii's. Sorry normally I try to be fair an objectionable but some of the crap I'm reading spewed on this thread makes me sick... who the hell cares who's winning and who's competing with who or how...enjoy the games.. enjoy them all and you win.

The Wii is as powerful as the Xbox. The PS2 destroyed the Xbox. The Wiimote costs hardly anything to produce and is the only unique part of the console of worth to gaming.



Steve 3.2 said:
I've read a number (but not all) of the comments and agree with a lot with what's being said:

1. By repositioning the PS2 against the Wii, Sony is going to have to split their resources between the two and support both. And if the control really takes off, how will they integrate that into the PS3? I think it's too risky and would most likely backfire. Sony needs to focus on the PSP and PS3 and continue with the strategy they created. It's not a terrible one and may eventually pay off.

2. There's more to the Wii than the Wiimote. Yes, that's a main feature, but the channels, slick design of the console, and games are a complete package that sells the system. A PS2 with a motion controller is still just a PS2 with a motion controller.

The idea would be to get third parties to port games to the PS2 with the same control scheme and slightly worse graphics (akin to xbox to PS2 graphical decrease).  Sony wouldn't have to extend much effort there.  The controller could also work on the PS3 anyway, which would be another third party option.

The PS2 slim is an even better design and I'm not sure what the channels add to gaming.

With the move there would be very few third party exclusives for the Wii, and it still wouldn't get the high-profile ones that the PS3 and 360 are getting. 



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Bodhesatva said:
vizunary said:
windbane said:

First of all, Sony had the Eye Toy before, and now has Sixaxis. They are not shying away from motion control. Your target there is Microsoft.

The rest of PS2's library does not suddenly go away. Not all games need waggle. I am saying the $99 PS2 would be very tempting for a lot of people because of the library as well as the new controller.

A lot of games are already on the Wii and PS2 (and PSP for that matter). Games would merely require a controller option for future ports.

Edit: Again, I say it would be a geinus move. It would marginalize the Wii's advantage.

But Nintendo had a Powerglove and Virtual Boy and Sony was just copying those with the Eye toy. :P

I do agree that it would definitely take a little thunder out of the Wii though. Anyone who thinks that devs wouldn't jump on this while it's still hot is deranged. Making a game for 120mln users is easy to decide on. Don't froget that the PS Remote would automatically work with PS3's as well.

Definitely would be a geinus(?) move.


Once again, Sony has already denied this long ago: http://www.ps3center.net/story-630.html

This rumor has come, gotten squashed, and gone away.

But the real flaw, Vizunary, is that the devs would not be making games for a platform with 120 million users. They'd be making games for a platform with 0 users, as no one owns the controller necessary to play the games right now! Do you see people lining up to make games for the new Eyetoy? Or how about even the old Eyetoy? How about the Guitar Hero guitar? There are less than 15 games total for the Eyetoy -- all but one of them made by Sony itself. Every game that uses the Guitar is made by the Guitar's initial creator

The reason is simple: the games are not selling to an entire market, they will only sell to that small subsection of platform owners that own the peripheral.

All this would do is completely validate Nintendo's strategy. Thus far, everyone in Sony has insisted that the Wii is a fad, and that eventually everyone will fall in love with the PS3. Whether we agree with that or not, that's been their PR position. This move would state, rather loudly, that Nintendo had it right all along, and Sony is playing catch up.

It's not just that I think this wouldn't be a genius move -- I think it would be a disastrous one. It would simultaneously lessen the PS3's sales potential by reinvesting a good deal of Sony's finances back in to the PS2, while giving the Wii more credibility. Nintendo would dance with glee if Sony decided to do such a thing, so I wasn't remotely surprised when Sony summarily denied that any such peripheral was in development -- not now, not ever.


Are you forgetting that just a few days ago Sony denied they were having a price cut, after the information leaked?

I'm sure a lot of people would buy a cheap peripherial instead of a $250 Wii to play the same games at slightly downgraded graphics.  There are games like Rayman Raving Rabbids that are already on the PS2 anyway.



windbane said:
Bodhesatva said:
vizunary said:
windbane said:

First of all, Sony had the Eye Toy before, and now has Sixaxis. They are not shying away from motion control. Your target there is Microsoft.

The rest of PS2's library does not suddenly go away. Not all games need waggle. I am saying the $99 PS2 would be very tempting for a lot of people because of the library as well as the new controller.

A lot of games are already on the Wii and PS2 (and PSP for that matter). Games would merely require a controller option for future ports.

Edit: Again, I say it would be a geinus move. It would marginalize the Wii's advantage.

But Nintendo had a Powerglove and Virtual Boy and Sony was just copying those with the Eye toy. :P

I do agree that it would definitely take a little thunder out of the Wii though. Anyone who thinks that devs wouldn't jump on this while it's still hot is deranged. Making a game for 120mln users is easy to decide on. Don't froget that the PS Remote would automatically work with PS3's as well.

Definitely would be a geinus(?) move.


Once again, Sony has already denied this long ago: http://www.ps3center.net/story-630.html

This rumor has come, gotten squashed, and gone away.

But the real flaw, Vizunary, is that the devs would not be making games for a platform with 120 million users. They'd be making games for a platform with 0 users, as no one owns the controller necessary to play the games right now! Do you see people lining up to make games for the new Eyetoy? Or how about even the old Eyetoy? How about the Guitar Hero guitar? There are less than 15 games total for the Eyetoy -- all but one of them made by Sony itself. Every game that uses the Guitar is made by the Guitar's initial creator

The reason is simple: the games are not selling to an entire market, they will only sell to that small subsection of platform owners that own the peripheral.

All this would do is completely validate Nintendo's strategy. Thus far, everyone in Sony has insisted that the Wii is a fad, and that eventually everyone will fall in love with the PS3. Whether we agree with that or not, that's been their PR position. This move would state, rather loudly, that Nintendo had it right all along, and Sony is playing catch up.

It's not just that I think this wouldn't be a genius move -- I think it would be a disastrous one. It would simultaneously lessen the PS3's sales potential by reinvesting a good deal of Sony's finances back in to the PS2, while giving the Wii more credibility. Nintendo would dance with glee if Sony decided to do such a thing, so I wasn't remotely surprised when Sony summarily denied that any such peripheral was in development -- not now, not ever.


Are you forgetting that just a few days ago Sony denied they were having a price cut, after the information leaked?

I'm sure a lot of people would buy a cheap peripherial instead of a $250 Wii to play the same games at slightly downgraded graphics. There are games like Rayman Raving Rabbids that are already on the PS2 anyway.


Except that Raving Rabbids on the PS2 does not support this controller. At the time of its supposed release, there would be 0 people who own the controller, and 0 games available for it. The PS2 has 2,000+ games and 120 million+ users, all of which are completely cut off from the content you apparently see miraculously being available for this new Wii-mote like controller.

For obvious reasons, everyone continued to assume that a price cut was imminent, even if it was denied for a few days. By contrast, this rumor popped up, was immediately squashed, and everyone has moved on (I've seen no discussion about it for weeks). Disproving anything is difficult (it's much easier to prove than to disprove), and it is profoundly difficult to disprove a month-old rumor. If you'd like to continue to believe that this is a good idea (which I don't believe it is) and that Sony is hiding this for no apparent reason (even though most people seem to have moved on), be my guest. You clearly cannot be dissuaded, Windbane. 



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windbane said:
Steve 3.2 said:
I've read a number (but not all) of the comments and agree with a lot with what's being said:

1. By repositioning the PS2 against the Wii, Sony is going to have to split their resources between the two and support both. And if the control really takes off, how will they integrate that into the PS3? I think it's too risky and would most likely backfire. Sony needs to focus on the PSP and PS3 and continue with the strategy they created. It's not a terrible one and may eventually pay off.

2. There's more to the Wii than the Wiimote. Yes, that's a main feature, but the channels, slick design of the console, and games are a complete package that sells the system. A PS2 with a motion controller is still just a PS2 with a motion controller.

The idea would be to get third parties to port games to the PS2 with the same control scheme and slightly worse graphics (akin to xbox to PS2 graphical decrease). Sony wouldn't have to extend much effort there. The controller could also work on the PS3 anyway, which would be another third party option.

The PS2 slim is an even better design and I'm not sure what the channels add to gaming.

With the move there would be very few third party exclusives for the Wii, and it still wouldn't get the high-profile ones that the PS3 and 360 are getting.


3rd parties aren't keen to jumping into untested waters.  (See the Wii's initial support.)  If Sony doesn't support it, few others will.  (See Eye Toy support.)

So a top loading DVD player is a slicker device than a slot loading one?  The PS2 Slim has the word 'cheap' written all over it.  (Not that that's a bad thing.)

The Channels add the Miis, internet surfing, news and weather, Virtual Console downloads, and whatever else Nintendo wants to add in the future.  None of this is in the current PS2 and I doubt Sony would add such functionality.

While this could create more ports between the systems, Nintendo could theorectically (since none of this is fact at this point) 'reject' games that would be on both systems.  They do have the final say on any titles, but have been pretty open on allowing whatever titles third parties would like to bring to the system.  I'd personally prefer that they start curtailing some of the crap, but unless it presents a real threat to the Wii I'm sure they'll let it slide.



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Steve 3.2 said:
 

While this could create more ports between the systems, Nintendo could theorectically (since none of this is fact at this point) 'reject' games that would be on both systems. They do have the final say on any titles, but have been pretty open on allowing whatever titles third parties would like to bring to the system. I'd personally prefer that they start curtailing some of the crap, but unless it presents a real threat to the Wii I'm sure they'll let it slide.

If Nintendo starts playing that ball game, wouldn't they just get into the whole N64/GCN "lack of third-party titles" debacle all over again?

 

 



Bodhesatva said:
windbane said:
Bodhesatva said:
vizunary said:
windbane said:

First of all, Sony had the Eye Toy before, and now has Sixaxis. They are not shying away from motion control. Your target there is Microsoft.

The rest of PS2's library does not suddenly go away. Not all games need waggle. I am saying the $99 PS2 would be very tempting for a lot of people because of the library as well as the new controller.

A lot of games are already on the Wii and PS2 (and PSP for that matter). Games would merely require a controller option for future ports.

Edit: Again, I say it would be a geinus move. It would marginalize the Wii's advantage.

But Nintendo had a Powerglove and Virtual Boy and Sony was just copying those with the Eye toy. :P

I do agree that it would definitely take a little thunder out of the Wii though. Anyone who thinks that devs wouldn't jump on this while it's still hot is deranged. Making a game for 120mln users is easy to decide on. Don't froget that the PS Remote would automatically work with PS3's as well.

Definitely would be a geinus(?) move.


Once again, Sony has already denied this long ago: http://www.ps3center.net/story-630.html

This rumor has come, gotten squashed, and gone away.

But the real flaw, Vizunary, is that the devs would not be making games for a platform with 120 million users. They'd be making games for a platform with 0 users, as no one owns the controller necessary to play the games right now! Do you see people lining up to make games for the new Eyetoy? Or how about even the old Eyetoy? How about the Guitar Hero guitar? There are less than 15 games total for the Eyetoy -- all but one of them made by Sony itself. Every game that uses the Guitar is made by the Guitar's initial creator

The reason is simple: the games are not selling to an entire market, they will only sell to that small subsection of platform owners that own the peripheral.

All this would do is completely validate Nintendo's strategy. Thus far, everyone in Sony has insisted that the Wii is a fad, and that eventually everyone will fall in love with the PS3. Whether we agree with that or not, that's been their PR position. This move would state, rather loudly, that Nintendo had it right all along, and Sony is playing catch up.

It's not just that I think this wouldn't be a genius move -- I think it would be a disastrous one. It would simultaneously lessen the PS3's sales potential by reinvesting a good deal of Sony's finances back in to the PS2, while giving the Wii more credibility. Nintendo would dance with glee if Sony decided to do such a thing, so I wasn't remotely surprised when Sony summarily denied that any such peripheral was in development -- not now, not ever.


Are you forgetting that just a few days ago Sony denied they were having a price cut, after the information leaked?

I'm sure a lot of people would buy a cheap peripherial instead of a $250 Wii to play the same games at slightly downgraded graphics. There are games like Rayman Raving Rabbids that are already on the PS2 anyway.


Except that Raving Rabbids on the PS2 does not support this controller. At the time of its supposed release, there would be 0 people who own the controller, and 0 games available for it. The PS2 has 2,000+ games and 120 million+ users, all of which are completely cut off from the content you apparently see miraculously being available for this new Wii-mote like controller.

For obvious reasons, everyone continued to assume that a price cut was imminent, even if it was denied for a few days. By contrast, this rumor popped up, was immediately squashed, and everyone has moved on (I've seen no discussion about it for weeks). Disproving anything is difficult (it's much easier to prove than to disprove), and it is profoundly difficult to disprove a month-old rumor. If you'd like to continue to believe that this is a good idea (which I don't believe it is) and that Sony is hiding this for no apparent reason (even though most people seem to have moved on), be my guest. You clearly cannot be dissuaded, Windbane.


The example game I mentioned is to show that many Wii games will already be ported to the PS2, and a lot of them already are.

I am not saying past games have to support the new controls, only the ones that need it in the future.

And yes, neutralizing the Wii while Sony waits for PS2 owners to upgrade to the PS3 would be a good strategy.