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Rath said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
halogamer1989 said:

Here we go... Anyway, I work for the McCain National HQ and the numbers are pretty solid. For all the opposition's rhetoric we are virtually tied. Key swing states will be imp, especially Michigan and the SW--plausible Romney VP effect. NH is a must win and Lieberman will help us out there. Obama is a commi his socialist ideals are too radical and he is the most liberal Sen. even more than Kerry and we see how that worked out. Btw, my sig should be evident of my preference :)

Obama has flip flopped on NASA budget, oil drilling, etc, etc, etc, and etc. Btw rubang he supports partial bith abortion so he's right up your disturbing alley.

 

What's a partial birth abortion? Are they like... halfway sticking out, and then you chop off the head? I didn't know anything could ever be considered "partially born." I thought there was either a birth or a miscarriage. You die before or after the birth. Unless it's one of those crazy cases where the umbilical cord is strangling the baby, but they can usually bust an emergency C-section and save the fucker.

It's not a real term to be honest, the correct term is intact dilation and extraction but partial birth abortion is used by pro-life people to give the impression that the fetus has been born thus making it seem like a person rather than a fetus. It's a late term (20-24 weeks usually) abortion that involves partial removal of the fetus before killing it. I also support partial birth abortion because there is no logical reason not to other than the seemingly reflexive 'Eww its partially sticking out when they kill it' that people seem to have.

 


Well I would argue there is some logical reasoning against it. Though really all abortions after the 13th week or so.

The 12th-13th week is the week that brainwaves are first recorded.

This seems to be the best "cut off" point for allowable abbortions and a good compromise in the US since most people think abortions should be more restricted... even pro most abortion people.  (About 70% think it should be more restricted.)

Edit: As for why it's signed out aside from others... that's how these things work... If i thought that millions of babies were being murdered i'd do whatever i could to stop it too.



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Kasz216 said:
Rath said:

It's not a real term to be honest, the correct term is intact dilation and extraction but partial birth abortion is used by pro-life people to give the impression that the fetus has been born thus making it seem like a person rather than a fetus. It's a late term (20-24 weeks usually) abortion that involves partial removal of the fetus before killing it. I also support partial birth abortion because there is no logical reason not to other than the seemingly reflexive 'Eww its partially sticking out when they kill it' that people seem to have.

 


Well I would argue there is some logical reasoning against it.  Though really all abortions after the 13th week or so.

The 12th-13th week is the week that brainwaves are first recorded.

This seems to be the best "cut off" point for allowable abbortions and a good compromise in the US since while about 70% of people are for Abortion in the US, about 70% of people are for abortion being stricter.

 

Yeah you could easily make that argument, but there are no solid arguments against the procedure itself.

 



Rath said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:

It's not a real term to be honest, the correct term is intact dilation and extraction but partial birth abortion is used by pro-life people to give the impression that the fetus has been born thus making it seem like a person rather than a fetus. It's a late term (20-24 weeks usually) abortion that involves partial removal of the fetus before killing it. I also support partial birth abortion because there is no logical reason not to other than the seemingly reflexive 'Eww its partially sticking out when they kill it' that people seem to have.

 


Well I would argue there is some logical reasoning against it. Though really all abortions after the 13th week or so.

The 12th-13th week is the week that brainwaves are first recorded.

This seems to be the best "cut off" point for allowable abbortions and a good compromise in the US since while about 70% of people are for Abortion in the US, about 70% of people are for abortion being stricter.

 

Yeah you could easily make that argument, but there are no solid arguments against the procedure itself.

 

I would disagree.... somewhat... based on the weird rulings for abortion in the first place.

The ruling in the US is that it's not a baby until it can live "by itself", IE if hooked up to medical technology survive... etc.

Medical Technology since Roe V Wade has occured and eventually unless an ammednment is passed or the Supreme Court ignores their own rulings to protect abortion late term abortions are going to be more and more eroded away.

The earliest surviving premature birth is 22 years. While this is used between 18-26 weeks. It is feaseable that a full born baby that is removed from the fetus could live if hooked up to medical technology even at 18 weeks.

While other methods of abortion dismember the fetus within the persons body.

It doesn't exactly make sense... but it does in the mind of judges i'm sure... as some kind of wierd compromise.



Obliterator1700 said:
NightDragon83 said:
ssj12 said:
halogamer1989 said:
Nader won't even get 5% of the vote in my book.

 

in 2004 he got 12%, I predict higher this year.

 

Ummm, are you serious??? Like, REALLY???

 

Bush got 51% of the vote in 2004...

Kerry got 49% of the vote...

So where on God's green earth does that 12% figure fit into the equation?

Where did you get those numbers?

 

 

I pulled them outta my ass...

 

 

 

 

Sike!

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/

 

STATUS CANDIDATE VOTE VOTE % EV
Bush
(Incumbent)
62,040,606 51% 286
 
Kerry
59,028,109 48% 252
 
Nader
411,304 1% 0

CNN was being generous here and gave 1% to Nader... which again proves my previous point about Nader taking away Dem votes since that would have gone to Kerry, which is why he only has 48% here instead of 49%, not that it would have mattered as there was no mathematical way for him to win regardless.

See what just a little research can do?  Now compare that with Clinton's victories, and notice in both elections how much of the vote Ross Perot took (almost 19% in '92, that-single handedly cost Bush Sr. the election) and also how in both of his victories he couldn't crack more than 50% of the total popular vote, yet everyone considers him to be so much more popular of a president than Bush...

1996

  Presidential
Candidate
Vice Presidential
Candidate
Political
Party
Popular VoteElectoral Vote
William Clinton Albert Gore Jr. Democratic 47,400,125 49.23% 379 70.4%
Robert Dole Jack Kemp Republican 39,198,755 40.72% 159 29.6%
H. Ross Perot Pat Choate Reform 8,085,402 8.40% 0 0.0%
Ralph Nader Winona LaDuke Green 685,297 0.71% 0 0.0%
Harry Browne Jo Jorgensen Libertarian 485,798 0.50% 0 0.0%
Other (+) - - 420,024 0.44% 0 0.0%
Map Key
 > 40%
 > 50%
 > 60%
 > 70%
 > 80%
Turnout

 

1992

  Presidential
Candidate
Vice Presidential
Candidate
Political
Party
Popular VoteElectoral Vote
William Clinton Albert Gore Jr. Democratic 44,909,806 43.01% 370 68.8%
George Bush J. Danforth Quayle Republican 39,104,550 37.45% 168 31.2%
H. Ross Perot James Stockdale Independent 19,743,821 18.91% 0 0.0%
Andre Marrou Nancy Lord Libertarian 290,087 0.28% 0 0.0%
Other (+) - - 375,659 0.36% 0 0.0%
Map Key
 > 30%
 > 40%
 > 50%
 > 60%
 > 80%
Turnout

And just for shits and giggles here's the infamous 2000 election results for all of you libs/Dems to mull over one more time

 Candidates Votes Vote % States Won EV
  Gore  
50,996,116 48 % 21 266
  Bush   
50,456,169 48 % 30 271
    Other  
3,874,040 4 % 0 0


On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

It seems that the VG community forgot Bob Barr and the Georgia impact. In some states it will be McCain (R) vs. Obama (D) vs. Barr (L) vs. Nader (I).

 

 



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halogamer1989 said:

It seems that the VG community forgot Bob Barr and the Georgia impact. In some states it will be McCain (R) vs. Obama (D) vs. Barr (L) vs. Nader (I).

 

 

 

Very true, although I think this election is going to once again be a two horse race again and possibly come down to the wire because of how politically divided the country still is.  Therefore, I don't forsee any third party or independant candidates earning more than maybe 1% of the total vote, if that.

Each side is going to be doing their damnest to turn out the vote and try to ensure the other side loses, same as last election... it's all gonna come down to which groups turnout the most:

If the staunch conservatives and religious right turn out and hold their noses for McCain then he will win, but if they stay home or enough of the young first time/college vote turns out then Obama could win.  In any even, its gonna be a close one, I don't see the winner taking more than 51 or 52% of the vote unless something HUGE happens beforehand like some big news bombshell about one of the candidates.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

^Nader maybe 2 percent, Barr 1 if that.



Strategyking92 said:
elprincipe said:
Strategyking92 said:
either way, the US is screwed. We need a tri-party system.

 

No, we need a no-party system. But I digress.

The chart is way, way too simplistic to base your preferences off of. It's also inaccurate in some places, such as putting down Obama for universal health care.

 

Only reason I said it was because 2 parties is not enough. I mean, 1 out of 3 ain't bad! 0 out of 2 is.

 

Political parties have a detrimental effect on our system in and of themselves.  When elected representatives feel compelled to toe the party line to get campaign money, that is a corrupting effect on the system.



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I Would have voted for Ron Paul, but he has dropped out and I dont reall know who to vote for now. I agreed with most of his policies, espacialy taking down the federal reserve.

But between Obama and McCain. I would chose McCain



McCain, uneasily. If that contributes anything to this.



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