It is not a complete separation, the problem is that on the VGC section 8, it can be found, whereas the seperate section 9 is completely seperate from here, so it can really be a place for a select members.
If you do not like the whole idea of a private place, then why recreate here? The other 8 is just a more private version of here. While I would prefer 8 to be on VGC, it is more practical to have it elsewhere. Anyway, if people move away from VGC, it is not a major problem, and in that pole, only 15 people have voted, so VCG will not fall apart if 10 people leave the site

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i was heated when written. was the wrong way to go, let's find a solution instead.

I think you will need to ask kenzomatic. He seems to want to own section 8.

they frown themselves as being smart and mature but frankly this might be the stupidest thing i have ever heard. nOT smart at all.

If ioi has to explain himself this much, then you know you should just change it.

There's really no difference between this forum and the Section 8 site, except for the fact that nobody on this forum tries to have any fun or make a good thread. Take down the site and come here, and make it interesting! Please!

 Please, will be nice if you keep the things civil, if you are not going to post anything constructive don't post at all...

Now, the S8 idea (The one I support) is to have a place to talk without the fanboys discusions, that isn't any kind of "we a re better than all of you" or anything like that, if in some point the things changed I was unaware, but so far I don't think that any S8 member is above anyone on this site, thats why I joined to talk with regular members with less problems than the regular forums...

I keep thinking the same thing, will be nice to settle this up, we can do it, S8 is part of VGChartz, because it started here, and is full of VG members...

 Is the only seperation of this section 8 from the main forums the fact that its hidden and 750 posts are required? So then it is mostly just luck if you find section 8? Or is there still an invite system (I thought there was), if so, what makes this different from the other section 8?

GOOD GOD MAN, why has all this become such a issue. The off site forum is being sealed off and turned into a place for close friends. If anything we are removing names that are not interested. We all have personal stories we share there along with some intimate details about are life. I'm pretty sure I know everybody there on a first name basis. We may have met here and it may have started as a response to the old one being shut down, which you have now been so kind as give back to us, but that is not what it is now. We are not recruiting. We are not interested in expansion. I do not know where these claims of attacking members comes from. Only one thread about anybody has ever been made and that was that Leo-J had been banned. Not one thing posted there was not posted in the exact same thread here, if anything the one off this site has much fewer post by the same people.

No one feels they are better then anybody else, No one wants to leave or be removed from here either. People at this point just want to be able to hang out with there friends that they have made at this site. I realize the method in which all this happened was probably not the best. But most of us have each others E-mails and just use the PM's for convenience.  My point is that if we all lived close to each other we would scrap the forum and go hang out at denny's. 

As for this superiority complex let me say NO ONE thinks they are better then anybody else. On a personal note I am more then well aware of the time and energy you but into this site and the fact that you do all of this while still continuing to have another job. Many things here I find very impressive and often ask myself how does he have time to do it all. So yes we're greatfull and I'm greatfull.

The new section 8 you have created is still what we want and is greatly appreciated. Things evolve and become other things and the off site forum has become the other thing the metaphorical denny's we hang out a, because we cant make to the real thing.

Now before you tear me a new one. I'm not claiming we started as the metaphorical Denny's, but that is what it is now.

Also the people in this friends circle are some of the biggest supporters of VGChartz, so I really fail to see the problem now, I understand your dismay at how things came to be but those days have come and gone and are not going to repeat.  I will have you know that many see fit to call you friend and all of this misunderstanding is a travesty. 

I think that some things have been misunderstood.

"Section 8.1" is not an 'elitist' site or anything like that, but it's a way to cut through most of the BS threads and posts that clutter this site up, and people are able to get to know each other without having a fight over which version of GTA IV is better, or how third-party Wii games don't sell...

At least that's how it started. But then, we all found out how well we meshed. We're all cool, and there's no arguments or anything of the like, not saying that they are here, at Section 8.2, but we've gotten quite used to the site. Also, Section 8.2 is moving very slowly, there's only ever a post or two over the course of a couple of hours, not very stimulating conversation if you ask me.

And there's no poaching or anything else going on, it's not like we post there, and have forgotten all about VGC, that has not been the case. I can only speak for myself, but I've been as active as ever on VGC, while still being part of "Section 8.1". If the policy is not being able to tell other people about another site, then how would VGC have grown? A lot of our members are people from NeoGaf or Gametrailers, etc, and many threads about VGC, imploring people to come are on both of those sites, IIRC.

Frankly, it feels like you are the 'elitist' one here. Like we are unable to be a part of another forum whilst being a part of this forum, if that's the case, then most of the forum would be gone. I'm a member of two or three other forums (Excluding "Section 8.1"), so what, am I banned for not being an exclusive member of this site?

Also, I don't know what was the problem with the post you pulled from Section 8.1. It wasn't speaking of VGC in a derogatory manner or anything, s/he thanked you for answering the requests, so I don't see the problem there. Also, it's quite hypocritical to call the creator/people of "Section 8.1" 'elitist' when you have put a cap so that people with >750 posts can view this content. Isn't that elitist? Who is to say that someone with 100 posts, can post better than someone with 10000 *cough*leo-j*cough*. You yourself has turned VGC elitist, by putting that cap on here.

So we've drawn the conclusion that Section 8.2 (VGC) is elitist. What to do? You can take the >750 cap off, but then it may as well be an open forum, and the reason for Section 8 still lives, a place to cut the BS and get to know each other better. Or you can get rid of Section 8.2 altogether, but then "Section 8.1" has even more reason to exist. You could ban all of the parties involved, but 1/2 of your moderating staff would go along with us.

I say all that to say, there's nothing that needs to be done. Section 8.2 will continue to live on, and all parties involved want it that way. There is nothing you can really do, without keeping Section 8 alive, or banning 50 people, including your moderating staff, which is unnecessary, since all members of "Section 8.1" still post regularly. There is no big deal with keeping the site up, and I believe that it's been take out of context.

On a more personal note, I'm very disappointed in you ioi, I fail to see the logic in making a public thread about getting rid of "Section 8.1", instead of PMing Kenzo about it. It makes no sense to me. Especially with the logic that you know that Kenzo is the creator. Why would you bring people to public scrutiny, rather than deal with this behind closed doors? It goes directly against what we as posters are able to do. When we had the whole "fight the mods" time a few months ago, and everyone was trying to hate those in power, making threads demeaning mods or problems posters have had with them was specifically forbade, but this is doing the same thing, turning a public affair private.

I have been here for well over a year now and always raved to my friends what a great place this is compared to other forums I have seen... maybe I am not the most active user or haven´t done the most contributing to the site, but no one here can say I have ever been elitist or disruptive to the site or any user... I love this place and wish to stay with its great people (may they be new to the site or part of it) for as long as I can.