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Forums - Sales Discussion - US: Zelda BOTW and MK8 managed to chart in the top 20 best-selling games of the decade(physical+digital) without digital sales number

RolStoppable said:
trestres said:
Do MK8 and BotW include their respective WiiU sales?
That might explain their appearance in the list as well.

Yes, Wii U sales are included.

On topic: Ultimately a rather worthless list because of how it has been compiled. Multiplats are combined - yet for some reason NPD still sticks to splitting up Pokémon versions in their charts - and the ranking is based on revenue instead of units. At that point the fact that some games don't have their digital sales included doesn't really matter anymore.

The fact that they are ranked by revenue also helps Nintendo since they drop the prices so slowly and rarely that most of their Switch games are still selling at full price while everybody else throws their game into the bargain bin after just a couple weeks (or months at best) out.



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Shore said:

So much for TLoU selling more than BotW. Just another year or two and the WW scenario will be the same.

No permenant price drop, no aggrasive price peomotion, still at 60$MSRP, and 20M units surpassed.



Pretty impressive two Nintendo games at $60 got up there with physical games only counted vs the rest of the games that are total sales plus pretty much all probably a lot cheaper than $60 plus most of them are probably on like 3 different platforms (including PC).

The dominance of CoD is just insane though. There's literally 10 years worth of CoD games on there that still sell a ridiculous amount on a yearly basis. Who the hell is buying this many old CoD games?! Non-nintendo systems have truly become GTA/CoD/Fifa machines. It is unbelievable to me that people haven't gotten tired of CoD like a bunch of years ago. Like Guitar Hero and Rock Band pumped out a ton of games for just a few years then it got oversaturated, but somehow people keep buying 10 years worth of CoD games every year. Imagine if Nintendo just factory-lined a new Smash bros every single year: new stages, switch up some characters, change single player mode and then just throw the game out each november... that'd be terrible. And yet somehow Activision has found 20-30 million people that'll buy yearly releases of the same game without getting utterly sick of it. I mean good for Activision but makes me weep for what the industry has become.



So... 10 Call of Duty games released in these 10 years, all of them top 15, and 9 of them in top 12. xD



LGBTDBZBBQ said:

https://venturebeat.com/2020/01/16/the-top-20-best-selling-games-of-the-decade-in-the-u-s/

Top 20 best-selling games from 2010 through 2019 in the U.S.

  1. Grand Theft Auto V
  2. Call of Duty: Black Ops
  3. Call of Duty: Black Ops II
  4. Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
  5. Call of Duty: Black Ops III
  6. Call Of Duty: Ghosts
  7. Red Dead Redemption II
  8. Call of Duty: WWII
  9. Call of Duty: Black Ops IIII
  10. Minecraft
  11. Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare
  12. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2019
  13. Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim
  14. Mario Kart 8
  15. Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
  16. Battlefield 1
  17. Battlefield 4
  18. Destiny
  19. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
  20. Star Wars Battlefront 2015

One would think the US have a problem with guns and violence... thank god for Nintendo



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You know this list sucks, because Minecraft is at #10. It's easily the best selling game of the last decade and it's #10 on this list.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
You know this list sucks, because Minecraft is at #10. It's easily the best selling game of the last decade and it's #10 on this list.

This list is based on revenue in the US... and...

1. It launched for like $15 on PC/Console.

2. Pocket Edition sales won't be included in this list, how popular is pocket edition? Well from the figures I can find Pocket Edition made up over 35% of total sales. (21m Pocket Edition sales as of April 2014, 60m total sales as of October 2014 and 30m Pocket Edition sales by January 2015.)

And just incase I'm mistaken and android sales are included... Pocket Edition is just $7 at full price.



Barkley said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:
You know this list sucks, because Minecraft is at #10. It's easily the best selling game of the last decade and it's #10 on this list.

This list is based on revenue in the US... and...

1. It launched for like $15 on PC/Console.

2. Pocket Edition sales won't be included in this list, how popular is pocket edition? Well from the figures I can find Pocket Edition made up over 35% of total sales. (21m Pocket Edition sales as of April 2014, 60m total sales as of October 2014 and 30m Pocket Edition sales by January 2015.)

And just incase I'm mistaken and android sales are included... Pocket Edition is just $7 at full price.

Do you think Minecraft isn't popular in the US?  It is.  Minecraft is popular everywhere.  Minecraft is even popular in Japan, and they rarely buy Western games there.  A more likely culprit is that NPD is very uneven from where they collect their sources.  Some games include digital and some don't.  Even with PC factored in, do they only get data from Steam?  Because a lot of people buy Minecraft directly from Mojang.

And if this is all based on revenue, then why aren't games like Fortnite on the list?  Isn't the point of using revenue is to compare orthodox console games with Free to Play?  But this list obviously doesn't include Free to Play.  That is why it's bogus.

The NPD is a shill for certain big Western studios.  I'm sure this list is technically accurate in some sense, but not in any sense that I should actually care about.  There are so many caveats that the list is basically pointless.  The data gets "massaged" by the NPD until it makes certain Western game companies look good like Activision and Rockstar.  Where is PUBG?  I thought that was a successful game, especially in the US.  Why does the NPD split Pokemon into two games while all SKU's of Call of Duty get combined?  There are so many questions and caveats that the list is pointless.

That's why I'm saying the list sucks.  It might be technically correct, but the list is disingenuous.  The data is "massaged" enough that no one should care.  If the point is to rank traditional one time purchase games, then Minecraft should definitely be at the top.  If the point is to compare revenue, then Fortnite should be on the list.  Instead the point seems to be to make Activision look good.  "This list was brought to you by Activision."

Last edited by The_Liquid_Laser - on 12 August 2020

The_Liquid_Laser said:
Barkley said:

This list is based on revenue in the US... and...

1. It launched for like $15 on PC/Console.

2. Pocket Edition sales won't be included in this list, how popular is pocket edition? Well from the figures I can find Pocket Edition made up over 35% of total sales. (21m Pocket Edition sales as of April 2014, 60m total sales as of October 2014 and 30m Pocket Edition sales by January 2015.)

And just incase I'm mistaken and android sales are included... Pocket Edition is just $7 at full price.

Do you think Minecraft isn't popular in the US?  It is.  Minecraft is popular everywhere.  Minecraft is even popular in Japan, and they rarely buy Western games there.  A more likely culprit is that NPD is very uneven from where they collect their sources.  Some games include digital and some don't.  Even with PC factored in, do they only get data from Steam?  Because a lot of people buy Minecraft directly from Mojang.

And if this is all based on revenue, then why aren't games like Fortnite on the list?  Isn't the point of using revenue is to compare orthodox console games with Free to Play?  But this list obviously doesn't include Free to Play.  That is why it's bogus.

The NPD is a shill for certain big Western studios.  I'm sure this list is technically accurate in some sense, but not in any sense that I should actually care about.  There are so many caveats that the list is basically pointless.  The data gets "massaged" by the NPD until it makes certain Western game companies look good like Activision and Rockstar.  Where is PUBG?  I thought that was a successful game, especially in the US.  Why does the NPD split Pokemon into two games while all SKU's of Call of Duty get combined?  There are so many questions and caveats that the list is pointless.

That's why I'm saying the list sucks.  It might be technically correct, but the list is disingenuous.  The data is "massaged" enough that no one should care.  If the point is to rank traditional one time purchase games, then Minecraft should definitely be at the top.  If the point is to compare revenue, then Fortnite should be on the list.  Instead the point seems to be to make Activision look good.  "This list was brought to you by Activision."

Nice conspiracy theory.

As for Fortnite.... microtransactions, DLC, Season Passes and ingame purchases are not included, the list is about game sales, that's it.

For PUBG the NPD are not given digital pc sales figures for this particular game, which is it's biggest platform.

Seems to me that you just hate the games at the top of the list.

Last edited by Barkley - on 12 August 2020

Barkley said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

Do you think Minecraft isn't popular in the US?  It is.  Minecraft is popular everywhere.  Minecraft is even popular in Japan, and they rarely buy Western games there.  A more likely culprit is that NPD is very uneven from where they collect their sources.  Some games include digital and some don't.  Even with PC factored in, do they only get data from Steam?  Because a lot of people buy Minecraft directly from Mojang.

And if this is all based on revenue, then why aren't games like Fortnite on the list?  Isn't the point of using revenue is to compare orthodox console games with Free to Play?  But this list obviously doesn't include Free to Play.  That is why it's bogus.

The NPD is a shill for certain big Western studios.  I'm sure this list is technically accurate in some sense, but not in any sense that I should actually care about.  There are so many caveats that the list is basically pointless.  The data gets "massaged" by the NPD until it makes certain Western game companies look good like Activision and Rockstar.  Where is PUBG?  I thought that was a successful game, especially in the US.  Why does the NPD split Pokemon into two games while all SKU's of Call of Duty get combined?  There are so many questions and caveats that the list is pointless.

That's why I'm saying the list sucks.  It might be technically correct, but the list is disingenuous.  The data is "massaged" enough that no one should care.  If the point is to rank traditional one time purchase games, then Minecraft should definitely be at the top.  If the point is to compare revenue, then Fortnite should be on the list.  Instead the point seems to be to make Activision look good.  "This list was brought to you by Activision."

Nice conspiracy theory.

As for Fortnite.... microtransactions, DLC, Season Passes and ingame purchases are not included, the list is about game sales, that's it.

For PUBG the NPD are not given digital pc sales figures for this particular game, which is it's biggest platform.

Seems to me that you just hate the games at the top of the list.

Nice Ad Hominem.

Your post actually does not address what I'm saying.  For example you said, "For PUBG the NPD are not given digital pc sales figures for this particular game, which is it's biggest platform."  But other games do include PC sales.  This is one of the many reasons why the list is bogus.