That doesn't even make sense. God of War and TLOU2 were build from the ground up around the limitations of the ps4. If those games would also have been released on ps3, they would have been far less spectacular.

I mean, lets say Valve decided to release Half Life 3, and it would be completely optimized and only run on a RTX 2080 with SSD, just imagine what that would look like. Unfortunately, there are not many AAA developers left that make games that really push the latest pc hardware, instead pc gamers get the same experience as on consoles and all the extra horsepower goes to waste by simply raising the fps, resolution and some graphical setting that don't really add anything to the games. It will be the exact same thing with all of the exclusives on the Xbox SeriesX, while Sony will drop a couple of 1st party bombs that will probably make Halo Infinite look like a last gen game.   

Isn't flawed.

Would be like saying Sony/MS were competing on the 100m and Wii on the 400m. Wii winning and making the best mark ever on their event doesn't affect the fact of the dispute of Sony/MS.

But yes Wii was the most successful among the consoles and DS the most successful HW of the gen.

If the graphics isn't better the most powerful specs would be useless.

On PS3 they would have been far less spectacular. On PS4 they would have been the same games since they were built around the limitations of PS4. We saw plenty of games this gen that were cross gen but the last gen versions were heavily neutered in ways other than graphics. Battlefield had lower player counts and modes missing. CoD had no SP. We see in sports titles they only get "legacy updates" which means nothing changes outside of rosters. Shadow of Mordor launched on last gen consoles without the Nemesis system. Titanfall had less of the Azure controlled grunts running around, even Microsoft's own Horizon 2 was essentially a different game on 360 than the Xbone version.

It's way too early to tell anything about this or get bent out of shape about it at all. The next one or two years of MGS games will be cross gen, which means it could literally just be 2020 games. And even if it spills into 2021, they could be games built for next gen in mind and then scaled afterwards to make an Xbone version possible. I mean look at what MS is doing with Flight Simulator. There is a console version planned, but they aren't gimping the PC version for the sake of Xbone. The version we get on console will just not be as advanced.

Now if we get into a later time frame than that and Microsoft is still releasing cross gen games and even the XSX versions don't have any significant advantages outside of graphics, then we'll have real issues and something worth grabbing pitchforks over.

Xbox one Series:
Best consoles services - Xbox live, Gamepass, Xcloud.
Best place to play 3rd party games.
Proven backward compatible service and forward compatible.
Most powerful next gen console.
More games... combine all the recent studios acquisition with Gamepass.
Xbox Series X enhanced .... Microsoft set the bar with Xbox one X on what is to be expect with hardware enhance backward compatible.
Best value ..... Combine forward compatible with Xbox game pass it is a no brainer that Xbox will offer the best deal in console gaming.

Non Xbox brand supporter main unproven criticism (Cross-gen support) about games being held back is actually one of Microsoft strength going to next gen. It's a consumer friendly move, Microsoft is supporting every Xbox system owner regardless of which consoles they own, doesn't alienate people that haven't made the upgrade to next gen, your given a 1-2 year windows to upgrade on your own time table.

Microsoft biggest concern going forward will be the unproven quality of all the studios recently acquired but the sheer volume of game currently under development that is less of concern. Microsoft address the gap of RPG games and open world game with recent acquisition and creating the initiative. Regardless of what the competition does next gen there even more reason now to consider playing on the Xbox eco system where ever it's more convenient for you to do so.

I love that now the concern is XBox Series X games are going to be held back, when the narrative used to be Xbox as no games and you only get Halo and Gears. If Microsoft delivers a number of amazing quality games that are slightly held back graphically, I would be a very happy man.

Teh Chartz in a nutshell. A popular argument that used to be had here was how Sony supported their consoles for a decade+ and MS was the opposite supposedly abandoning customers the prior two gens and now we have MS continuing to support OG Xbone customers so you'd think it would be a positive thing but nah, what a shock, it's pure shit. Same as BC, instead of being seen as a good pro-consumer move it's nah, waste of money, distraction for poor sales, pure fan service and no big deal.

Well it was true at the time with Xbox one, BC and gamepass were added in a time where Microsoft investment in studios wasn't the greatest. They use to make fun of gamepass because all you got were old Halo games and Crackdown 3.

Microsoft tried funding 3rd party studios to make exclusives but we all know how a waste of money that was and we got major cancelled like Fables Legend and Scalebound at the top of the list. Now Microsoft flip the table and on them, they improved and dealt with all of their past failures.

Microsoft services as surpass the competition by far and it's not something they will easily admit.

Xbox one X Enhanced backward compatible is something that need to become standard in the industry.

Edit: Just look at Nintendo still porting WiiU game to the Switch at almost full retail price. The PS5 is probably going to try to pawn full retail PS4 Enhanced & Remastered game on their customers. 

 
Gamepass was suppose to be a service were game get added and removed... But seem like no one reminded Microsoft that they are supposed to remove games. The services just keep on adding games. Even Microsoft forgot to update their main gamepass page they still have this statement on their website "Immerse yourself in a deep library of more than 100 high-quality console and PC games. Join the fun in new games or catch up on a recent hit. With Xbox Game Pass, you always have something new to play." 

But, There over 250 games on gamepass and ...

Confirmed games coming to Xbox Game Pass in future

Here are all known future Xbox Game Pass releases.

First-party Xbox Game Pass games:

• Ori and the Will of the Wisp (February 11, 2020)
• Minecraft Dungeons (2020)
• Microsoft Flight Simulator (2020)
• Psychonauts 2 (2020)
• Halo Infinite (2020)
• Bleeding Edge (2020)
• Battletoads (TBA)
• Grounded
• Tell Me Why
• Wasteland 3 (2020)

Third-party Xbox Game Pass games without a release date:

• Blazing Chrome (TBA)
• CrossCode (TBA)
• Dead Static Drive (TBA)
• Ikenfell (TBA)
• Killer Queen Black (TBA)
• Lord of the Rings (TBA)
• Night Call (TBA)
• Phoenix Point (TBA)
• Riverbond (TBA)
• Secret Neighbor (TBA)
• Spiritfarer (TBA)
• Spirit Renegades (TBA)
• Supermarket Shriek (TBA)
• The Good Life (TBA)
• Totally Accurate Battle Simulator (TBA)
• Totem Teller (TBA)
• UnderMine (TBA)
• Unto the End (TBA)
• Way to the Woods (TBA)
• Carrion
• Cris Tales
• Cyber Shadow
• Darksiders III
• Double Kick Heroes
• Drake Hollow
• Edge of Eternity
• Final Fantasy VII
• Final Fantasy VIII Remastered
• Final Fantasy IX
• Final Fantasy X: HD Remastered
• Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age
• Final Fantasy XIII
• Final Fantasy XIII-2
• Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII
• Final Fantasy XV
• Forager
• Haven
• It Lurks Below
• Levelhead
• Life Is Strange 2: Episodes 4 and 5
• My Friend Pedro
• PHOGS
• She Dreams Elsewhere
• SkateBird
• Streets of Rage 4
• Scourge Bringer
• Supraland
• Tekken 7
• Touhou Luna Nights
• The Escapists 2
• The Red Lantern
• The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
• Vambrace: Cold Soul
• West of Dead
• Yazuka 0
• Yazuka Kiwami
• Yazuka Kiwami 2

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-04-30-xbox-game-pass-games-list-price-6010

Again, analogy was bad given Wii had success in sales and profit. Your analogy was one sold better but another made more money. Just read what you said.

I consider resolution and performance as an element of graphics. So if Series X has the rumored 12TF, it will certainly help many games achieve 60 fps, while raising the bar in visuals and maintain a high resolution.

Well maybe you're right. After all they did manage to port Cyberpunk to the ps1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k1MdFCy4hc

Maybe. But if I remember correctly they never made such forcefull advertisement of power since xbox one x. It's like every time xbox gets mentioned they have to add "most powerful console". They have nothing else so it makes sense thats what they flaunt.

You understood it wrong then. I wasn't making an analogy to Wii in that. I was saying that on the olympic event the winner is whoever finished first even if the third had made more money. Because the question was that there can be more than one winner depending on the metric.

Then I explained why Wii winning didn't impacted the competition between PS/MS since in that gen Wii wasn't really competing with both.

If PS5 is 9Tf and XSX is 12TF then it should have better graphics across the board (that is why I was confused when you were seemingly implying that better HW doesn't mean better graphics), with the fold on if PS5 games look better than XSX (let's say because of crossgame, don't think it would happen with 30% power difference, but for guess sake let's pretend) then the specs advantage of XSX would be meaningless (as was on discussions of X360 vs PS3 that for most of the gen the ports for X360 looked better so PS3 being slightly more powerful was meaningless for most customers).

I see, well that I can't confront because Xbox original and even launch X360 I didn't see any marketing in Brazil. X1 I saw the comments from Don but really don't remember seeing they saying it was more powerful in marketing, perhaps they used the standard "better than last gen, improvement, etc".

But yes X1X they were pretty clear on marketing for the most powerful console ever.