Yes, i feel the same. The first 2 Raimi movies are full of classic scenes. Spider-Man 2 is in fact, is my favorite superhero movie, it has such a heart that no super hero movie after that one has reached to me.

Tom Holland is a funny guy, i like him in fact, but his Peter/Spiderman has never worked for me. He is by far the most incompetent Spiderman i've seen. He just makes mistakes after mistakes and i always have the feeling he is always a step behind against anyone. I always envisioned Spiderman as the smartest guy in the room, always prepared to every circumstance. Peter can be a loser, but Spiderman has to be "Amazing".

The last one had an amazing pair of scenes with Mysterio, but besides that, everytime i see this MCU Spiderman, i feel......second class super hero. 

Did I read that right? I thought someone said that Sony made 1.1 billion on a Spider-man movie that Disney made, and Disney wanted more. This doesn't seem accurate.

Everyone is in chaos, and all I'm thinking is we can finally have a venom vs Spiderman movie 😂

You read it WRONG :P

Sony made 1.1bn on their own Spiderman movie  (we re not talking about avengers or the like here).
Not something disney makes.

Basically Sony does all the hard work, makeing the entire movie, putting in the risk (capital/funding) and production ect.
And disney comes along and says "give us 50%" (or we take away your movie director + wont allow spiderman in MCU movies anymore).

This isnt about the MCU, but the Spiderman movies that Sony themselves make.
Disney wants 50% of the profits sony makes on them..... dispite Sony owning the IP and doing everything themselves for the movie.

Disney is basically bullying them for no reason, when its clear they dont deserve to just magically get 50% of the profits for no reason.
Yet in this thread, you see people writeing "screw sony" ect. and sideing with Disney.

Yep I gave good laughs on the SM Tom Holland, but he is a very inferior Peter Parker and SM. Even Morales on the spiderverse is a more competent spider.

I get that they are showing he still a teenager learning about the world and being a hero, that he is very naive and all. But they are taking their sweet time making Spider a dumb joke hero.

The scenes and battles have been great, story and intelligence nope.

You read wrong. If you get confused just read what I wrote again.

Sony made the movie that earned 1.1B and because it made a lot of money Disney want to have half of it without really giving anything (like a participation on the making or profits of MCU movies). They get all the merchandise money of the movie Sony makes, they get 5% profit of the movies they didn't make, they get the S-M on the MCU movies without having to pay anything for it and Sony is wrong for not wanting to give then even more money.

I see where my confusion came from...

Disney saw Sony makeing $1.1bn on their last Spiderman movie and their like "we want half of the next movie you do", if we help you with the director + MCU appearences of Spiderman.

You used "their" to refer to two different subjects in the same sentence, so I inferred that it was Disney's Spiderman movie. :P

Anyways, yeah, it's a shame that the superheroes can't all be together, and it seems like this doesn't bode well for Spidey fans. I don't watch much of the superhero movies but it's still interesting to me nonetheless.

Sony doesn’t own anything.

This isn’t a shared ownership or Pokémon-like construction, Spiderman is fully owned by Marvel, which is fully owned by Disney. Spiderman is Disney’s property. Similarly, EA doesn’t own Star Wars. Sony owns a licence to make Spiderman movies, left-over from when Marvel, who were handing out licences like candy, was independant, like how Fox owned a licence to make X-Men movies. Or Universal a licence for theme park attractions. Obviously Disney wants that all back, to redistribute as they see fit. This also means I doubt Sony gets anything from merchandising or anything else regardless, but that’s another thing. 

Sony probably has a much better deal with the Spiderman movie licence than say, EA has with the Star Wars game licence though, and that’s their luck.

Generally speaking, not directly aimed at you, JRPGfan;

I think some of you are jumping to conclusions. So Spiderman made over a billion at the box-office. Sure this is a plus, but I highly doubt this is the prime motivator for Disney to tighten the strings. A billion in movie gross is nothing special for Disney anymore. Pretty much everything they touch reaches that nowadays. The Lion King is far past that already. Spiderman isn’t that special, even in the MCU. Ignoring Avengers of course, even Captain Marvel beat it. An Iron Man and a Captain America are above it. Black Panther has run a circle around Spiderman. I’m positive some of the upcoming MCU movies are going to easily beat Spiderman as well, and this is all with a surely inflated number for a modern Spiderman movie because of it’s connection to the MCU.

Secondly, I see comparisons with the Raimi Spiderman films, about how Sony can make a more successful Spiderman film than Disney/Marvel can. But that’s not a good comparison. Those movies are old now, and had little competition in the superhero genre. I’d say the fact that the Raimi films all easily beat the new Spiderman films, adjusted for inflation, actually bodes pretty badly for a stand-alone new Sony Spiderman film, if even the Marvel backing couldn’t do it.

Finally, I see people being pissed about supposed Sony blaming here in this thread. However, meanwhile I’m seeing a whole lot more Disney bashing in here, which seems to be fine. Comes across as a bit hypocritical, but whatever I don’t know.

And before this statement gets me being accused of defending Disney or being a Disney-fanboy, a Sony-hater or whatever, don’t bother, it’s not like that, I’m Switzerland.

Uh.

But as Sony Pictures themselves say, they own the Spiderman IP (when it comes to movies).

Yes, Sony doesn't get anything from merchandising.

Which is what I said. They can make movies. They can’t do anything else with the character without permission because the character isn’t their’s.

^^ I'd never thought the third title in the trilogy would be that, but....[claps] very well done indeed.

I'm applying for welfare and bread lines this week, anyone else?