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zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes. And you wouldn't phantom the possibility that after verifying the price, content and production capability they saw it wouldn't be possible to launch WW from day one? So the 7M (which had shortages) were as most as they could produce, in a time that sales didn't even start as strong and there were no pre-orders?

This is at least the 5th time you have completely misunderstood this basic concept, companies plan differently when deciding to do global or staggered launches so if Sony wanted a global launch for PS2 than they would have either began mass production earlier or launched later.

Yes I fail the basic concept of companies planning to sell less. If Sony thought they could sell (and produce) more PS2 they would, same with Nintendo with Switch (and the time to launch).

You go from the assumption that they decide where and when to launch and later decides how much to manufacture, instead of how much they can produce for a set cost and then what would be the best place/time to launch. Mine assumes most profit/growth possible intended. Yours seems to assume they arbitrarily choose time and location.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Soundwave said:

Not a huge fan of Sony but that is a pretty big achievement, fastest console in the history of the business to get to 100 million. 

“Not a big fan of Sony” but 100 million people are.

Are great video games a joke to you?

what are you a big fan of?

i wanna know!

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DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

This is at least the 5th time you have completely misunderstood this basic concept, companies plan differently when deciding to do global or staggered launches so if Sony wanted a global launch for PS2 than they would have either began mass production earlier or launched later.

Yes I fail the basic concept of companies planning to sell less. If Sony thought they could sell (and produce) more PS2 they would, same with Nintendo with Switch (and the time to launch).

You go from the assumption that they decide where and when to launch and later decides how much to manufacture, instead of how much they can produce for a set cost and then what would be the best place/time to launch. Mine assumes most profit/growth possible intended. Yours seems to assume they arbitrarily choose time and location.

Yep I think Sony planned on selling less, that's exactly what I said........

I believe there are multiple factors that come into play when deciding where/when to launch. One possible big factor is software, look at the PS2 launch lineup in March 2000.

Japanese launch: March 4, 2000

That's not a very western focused lineup, now let's late a look at the US launch lineup in October.

U.S. launch: October 26, 2000

Its full of guns, sports and cars which Americans love.

Could lack of western focused software in Spring/Summer be a good reason to hold off on releasing a console until Fall in the west? I think it's a very good reason.



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Fastest home console is still a great achievement, even more considering that as PS4 production costs are reasonable and typical higher attach rate of home consoles will mean also huge SW royalties profit, and quicker than ever.



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EricHiggin said:

This is great and well deserved, but where's my 100 million edition model PS? The one you should use to justify the $299 price tag while you officially reduce the standard model by $50 to $100.


Maybe they're skipping this celebratory model for the outsold PS1 edition coming soon?

Not happening. They lowered their forecast as they will be focusing on profits over sales.



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zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes I fail the basic concept of companies planning to sell less. If Sony thought they could sell (and produce) more PS2 they would, same with Nintendo with Switch (and the time to launch).

You go from the assumption that they decide where and when to launch and later decides how much to manufacture, instead of how much they can produce for a set cost and then what would be the best place/time to launch. Mine assumes most profit/growth possible intended. Yours seems to assume they arbitrarily choose time and location.

Yep I think Sony planned on selling less, that's exactly what I said........

I believe there are multiple factors that come into play when deciding where/when to launch. One possible big factor is software, look at the PS2 launch lineup in March 2000.

Japanese launch: March 4, 2000

That's not a very western focused lineup, now let's late a look at the US launch lineup in October.

U.S. launch: October 26, 2000

Its full of guns, sports and cars which Americans love.

Could lack of western focused software in Spring/Summer be a good reason to hold off on releasing a console until Fall in the west? I think it's a very good reason.

So help us out. The SW Sony have in place to PS2 launch wouldn't push sales on the West, but if they had decided to launch in West the games would be available or they wouldn't sell much more than what they had being just in Japan? You need to pick one horse. It either would or wouldn't impact sales majorly having WW launch.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

Yep I think Sony planned on selling less, that's exactly what I said........

I believe there are multiple factors that come into play when deciding where/when to launch. One possible big factor is software, look at the PS2 launch lineup in March 2000.

Japanese launch: March 4, 2000

That's not a very western focused lineup, now let's late a look at the US launch lineup in October.

U.S. launch: October 26, 2000

Its full of guns, sports and cars which Americans love.

Could lack of western focused software in Spring/Summer be a good reason to hold off on releasing a console until Fall in the west? I think it's a very good reason.

So help us out. The SW Sony have in place to PS2 launch wouldn't push sales on the West, but if they had decided to launch in West the games would be available or they wouldn't sell much more than what they had being just in Japan? You need to pick one horse. It either would or wouldn't impact sales majorly having WW launch.

It's all hypothetical but if Sony had wanted a WW launch of PS2 than it's more likely they would have it in Fall 2000, not March.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

So help us out. The SW Sony have in place to PS2 launch wouldn't push sales on the West, but if they had decided to launch in West the games would be available or they wouldn't sell much more than what they had being just in Japan? You need to pick one horse. It either would or wouldn't impact sales majorly having WW launch.

It's all hypothetical but if Sony had wanted a WW launch of PS2 than it's more likely they would have it in Fall 2000, not March.

Since anything we throw at the case that haven't happened is purely hypothetical then no one can say it isn't the right way to compare the launch aligned by first release date even if in this case it have PS2 Japan only and PS4 on more markets (still wasn't full globe). I even remember a famous thread of the smart 13 vs 49 or something like that comparing Xbox tiered launch versus Sony more spread, and that MS would demolish Sony on those markets and the extra months to other territories wouldn't impact much. And in a way the first couple months both consoles sold very near to one another, and even Xbox had shortages. So assuming that if PS2 was to be released WW at that time would mean much more sales can't be proven.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
zorg1000 said:

It's all hypothetical but if Sony had wanted a WW launch of PS2 than it's more likely they would have it in Fall 2000, not March.

Since anything we throw at the case that haven't happened is purely hypothetical then no one can say it isn't the right way to compare the launch aligned by first release date even if in this case it have PS2 Japan only and PS4 on more markets (still wasn't full globe). I even remember a famous thread of the smart 13 vs 49 or something like that comparing Xbox tiered launch versus Sony more spread, and that MS would demolish Sony on those markets and the extra months to other territories wouldn't impact much. And in a way the first couple months both consoles sold very near to one another, and even Xbox had shortages. So assuming that if PS2 was to be released WW at that time would mean much more sales can't be proven.

So since the initial date is all that matters than let's look at a different console for comparison.

July 1983-Aug 1985 (2 year, 1 month) NES shipped 4.33 million

Nov 1990-March 1993 (2 years, 4 months) SNES shipped 21.06 million

Would you say that's a relatively fair comparison?



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

Since anything we throw at the case that haven't happened is purely hypothetical then no one can say it isn't the right way to compare the launch aligned by first release date even if in this case it have PS2 Japan only and PS4 on more markets (still wasn't full globe). I even remember a famous thread of the smart 13 vs 49 or something like that comparing Xbox tiered launch versus Sony more spread, and that MS would demolish Sony on those markets and the extra months to other territories wouldn't impact much. And in a way the first couple months both consoles sold very near to one another, and even Xbox had shortages. So assuming that if PS2 was to be released WW at that time would mean much more sales can't be proven.

So since the initial date is all that matters than let's look at a different console for comparison.

July 1983-Aug 1985 (2 year, 1 month) NES shipped 4.33 million

Nov 1990-March 1993 (2 years, 4 months) SNES shipped 21.06 million

Would you say that's a relatively fair comparison?

Yes, SNES was faster on the start but NES accelerated and had a total sale much higher.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."