I would think people don't expect to require that sign until someone books an appointment for a vaginal wax and then turn up at your saloon to get this reaction....

As for the above posts about what is a man and a woman and the differences between those.... I remember back when I was a kid, asked my parents that and they explained it to me in about 20 seconds and the differences between those two things, it did not include a chart and discussion about fluidity between any and all kinds of things it was simply a case of... "you're a boy, here's the differences between that and a girl..." sorted. I can only imagine the harm and confusion it must cause kids who's parents are asked the same question today but answer it by getting out this chart....

Honestly those jokes at the end.... think back to it, ask a kid what they want to be when they grow up and you might well get an answer of a transformer, firetruck or a helicopter... the kid is saying that because he doesn't understand anything because his brain is just forming and trying to learn what can and can't happen... you need to tell the kid that his hose will never extinguish fires and it will never carry a child to term.

I want to ride the "6' ft 3 only rollercoaster". But I can't because I'm physically 5 ft 9! Oh, but I IDENTIFY as 6 ft 3! Sorry kids, but you can't Identify as something you're not. Until that man has his operation he is a man. After that man has his operation he is still technically a man, but we have agreed to treat him as a woman. You can't IDENTIFY as a woman, while still having a penis, and force someone to wax your genitals. Just like how you can't wear platform shoes in an attempt to trick the security guard into letting you in the ride that you are too short for.

The salon owner has the right to not be sexually assaulted/abused, and deceiving or forcing her to touch a man's genitals is sexual assault/abuse. OP is a terrible person for thinking that the Trans guy was wronged. He's just sheltering a known sexual predator. Thinking that the Trans dude was discriminated against in this context is just as factually wrong as thinking the USA never landed on the moon. Or in thinking that the earth was created by God 6,000 years ago. What's worse is that the trans dude, and OP are attempting to use their twisted logic to oppress a woman, and force all salon owners to wax any pre-op trans person's genitals, against their will. In that sense OP is just as bad as, slave owners in the south, who tried to use the Bible to defend slavery.

A post saying "Oh gee guys I think slavery might have been okay, and Negroes are inferior to white people in every way, shape and form!" would get banned and locked so hard. Yet this post which basically says "Oh gee guys I think legally enforced sexual assault is okay, and anybody stating they are a woman while still having the physical parts of a man, can legally force a woman to wax their testicals is okay!" is left alone. Ridiculous.

Thanks Rol for bringing this sexist thread to my attention. There's a reason why I've removed the politics thread from my Vgchartz buddy.

The seems to me like a case of an asshole abusing the system to make frivolous lawsuits against businesses for money/attention. Sadly, assholes are present in every subgroup of society: trans, gay, straight, black, white, president. We certainly shouldn't use the fact that this particular asshole is trans to invalidate all the very legitimate issues trans people face everyday.

Strongly correlated things are not the same, they are correlated. If there are any situations where the two are not the same, then they are different things and the two words are not interchangeable. If black skin and brown eyes are correlated 99% of the time that does not mean that the two descriptions lose utility. Knowing that these things can differ is meaningful. Similarly, understanding that someone's outward appearance and how they interact with society (gender) and their sex organs/genetics (sex) are not the same every single time means that it's helpful if we have terms to describe the two things separately. That one is gender and the other is sex is meaningless since we as society could decide to differentiate the social and biological constructs of gender/sex however we so care to. Just seems that most experts on these distinctions like to use gender for the social part and sex for the biological. 

And the sex someone appears to be is based on their interactions with society which is their gender. 

You would have to ask a the psychological community about what is and isn't a mental illness, my only issue with the use of mental illness from the post I was replying to was that they seemed to define mental illness as anything that goes against one's biology which is not a satisfactory definition. Now, to be fair, if the psychological community finds that transgenderism fits all their definitions for a mental illness, but this will result in a marginalized group being even more marginalized then I would prefer not to think of transgenderism as a mental illness in common parlance. What is a useful characterization for a medical professional is not necessarily useful for laymen in day to day interactions with others.  

We shouldn't should we? But now we're back to "attack helicopter" arguments and "won't someone think of the children". 

completely agree here, all the person in the OP's news link is doing is making those "what if" scenarios that naysayers of rights for Trans people use to try to quash their rights to equality.

This story will be pointed to by people as a reason to not allow equal treatment by other service providers if they want which could then be used to refuse admittence to something where having a penis under a dress makes no difference to the entry to the event, just that someone who doesn't like trans people will have protection because of issues like this getting rightly ruled against in court.

People should never champion a group where they feel oppression is going on... just to try to weaponise the issue to make headlines or lawsuits, some of the other stories about the person in the OP also suggest they have some other issues going on in their lives as well which definitely doesn't help the LGBTQ community when this person would start to wave the rainbow flag and suggest that all their wrongdoings are okay, because they're trans... really a bad banner to hide behind.

I spoke of firetrucks and non agressive helicopters! Don't assume all helicopters are agressive! some of my best friends are rescue helicopters!!

Well not always (most of cases actually it wouldn't matter) but there are situations that the penis under the skirt is quite relevant.

And when you push for "gender is what you identify yourself with", we have the case on Brazil that a male won a lawsuit against a nightclub because he was refused the 50% discount for admittance offered to females after he said he was a female but presented male documentation.

Also if you are on a party and is flerting with someone you assume is a girl and after going out she says she is actually a boy dressed as a woman is that relevant information or not?

I think a lot of companies, larger ones at least avoid having deals in place for one gender or the other unless there is a proven reason as to why they should do so, such as the insurance costs of a young male driver based on the dangers that brings to the table (road) even insurance companies who sell themselves as being for one gender in particular, like for example its4women here in Ireland who provide insurance they advertise as being for females with their packages (gulp) but they offer insurance to both men and women it's just their advertisments are directed more towards one than the other, in the same way Yorkie being sold as "IT'S NOT FOR GIRLS" drove up sales of the bar by both men and women because guys saw it as being theirs to enjoy and girls saw the slogan as a challenge that they could have it too, it also made news which as they say.... there's no such thing as bad publicity, that holds up most of the time anyway. .... Christ that's one long run on sentence, sorry.

Someone flirting with you at a party argument I don't get, I'm happy with either so it would make no difference to me what someone was under the dress, just if things got hot and heavy at least I would be saved asking the question if she does anal I guess? Take it as a compliment if someone is flirting with you, if it turns out you don't like their hair, face, humor or penis, then that's the end of that potential relationship isn't it? It's very likely that it will come up anyway before you're at the knocking boots stage (for the love of god man... kiss on the neck... and if you can't tell from a kiss on the neck that there's an adams apple you probably wont notice the penis either)