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I think they having given up on Xbox for quite some time. They want it to be a service. Next gen I can't see them doing better either. Best chance is to release before PS5 and also less expensive. Power will not matter much. Releasing in 2019 would have been a good option. But they need some games or timed exclusive or something to get some interest among gamers like they did with the 360



 

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Microsoft is focusing on next-gen at this point. Honestly, they should've launched Gears of War with the new Xbox and the new Ninja theory game as well.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
curl-6 said:

Talking about the Xbox in isolation, yes. The problem is, that would put them at serious risk of getting Dreamcasted, as people would be like "nah, I'll just wait a year for a more powerful PS5."

The XBox360 released a year before the PS3 and that worked out pretty well for them.  The main problem with Dreamcast was not the release date.  It was that Sega was out of money and couldn't afford to stay in the console business.  Microsoft is not going to have that problem.  Releasing this year would have been a good idea.

The Xbox 360's sales didn't explode right off the bat. But when Sony announced the $600 price, a big shift started.
Presuming Sony don't make the same pricing mistake again, but rather launch at the same price as the Xbox console, it would be a pretty different scenario.

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The_Liquid_Laser said:
curl-6 said:

Talking about the Xbox in isolation, yes. The problem is, that would put them at serious risk of getting Dreamcasted, as people would be like "nah, I'll just wait a year for a more powerful PS5."

The XBox360 released a year before the PS3 and that worked out pretty well for them.  The main problem with Dreamcast was not the release date.  It was that Sega was out of money and couldn't afford to stay in the console business.  Microsoft is not going to have that problem.  Releasing this year would have been a good idea.

The big reason they did so well last gen is because the PS3 was $200 more expensive than the 360 and the PS3 had such complicated HW that it took devs awhile to get used to it, resulting in inferior multiplats for the first year or so. Scarlett will be going against a PS5 with most likely the same price and possibly a little more power, which will be on display at launch.

If MS launched this year, they may have been able to drop the price by $50 in time for the PS5's launch, but there would have been a much larger power difference. In that scenario, there is no question that Scarlett would have fared much worse than the XBO.



Not surprised. I really don't think its that it's end of gen it's most likely that people faced the facts and see that there is no reason to own an Xbox. Where to really be because of end of gen then the ps4 would also be suffering such a drop.



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The_Liquid_Laser said:
curl-6 said:

Talking about the Xbox in isolation, yes. The problem is, that would put them at serious risk of getting Dreamcasted, as people would be like "nah, I'll just wait a year for a more powerful PS5."

The XBox360 released a year before the PS3 and that worked out pretty well for them.  The main problem with Dreamcast was not the release date.  It was that Sega was out of money and couldn't afford to stay in the console business.  Microsoft is not going to have that problem.  Releasing this year would have been a good idea.

As others have said, it's not quite analogous to PS3 vs 360; a lot of 360's gains came from Sony's disastrous missteps with the PS3, MS cannot rely on Sony being that foolish again with PS5. If Scarlet came out this year, then Sony followed with a significantly more capable PS5 next year, Xbox would most likely get steamrolled. For Scarlet to have a fighting chance they need to be both price and power competitive, that's not gonna happen if they go a year early.



thismeintiel said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

The XBox360 released a year before the PS3 and that worked out pretty well for them.  The main problem with Dreamcast was not the release date.  It was that Sega was out of money and couldn't afford to stay in the console business.  Microsoft is not going to have that problem.  Releasing this year would have been a good idea.

The big reason they did so well last gen is because the PS3 was $200 more expensive than the 360 and the PS3 had such complicated HW that it took devs awhile to get used to it, resulting in inferior multiplats for the first year or so. Scarlett will be going against a PS5 with most likely the same price and possibly a little more power, which will be on display at launch.

If MS launched this year, they may have been able to drop the price by $50 in time for the PS5's launch, but there would have been a much larger power difference. In that scenario, there is no question that Scarlett would have fared much worse than the XBO.

curl-6 said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

The XBox360 released a year before the PS3 and that worked out pretty well for them.  The main problem with Dreamcast was not the release date.  It was that Sega was out of money and couldn't afford to stay in the console business.  Microsoft is not going to have that problem.  Releasing this year would have been a good idea.

As others have said, it's not quite analogous to PS3 vs 360; a lot of 360's gains came from Sony's disastrous missteps with the PS3, MS cannot rely on Sony being that foolish again with PS5. If Scarlet came out this year, then Sony followed with a significantly more capable PS5 next year, Xbox would most likely get steamrolled. For Scarlet to have a fighting chance they need to be both price and power competitive, that's not gonna happen if they go a year early.

You both are reading the generation 7 wrong.  PS3 flopped because it was too powerful.  That is the main reason.  Power is a disadvantage because it goes hand in hand with a higher price.  XBox360 and PS3 had mostly the same games, but XBox360 was cheaper.  That made it the dominant platform in the US and UK.

The worst thing Sony can do is make PS5 more powerful than Scarlett, because that will drive up the price.  Even if it costs $50 more, it will be a repeat of generation 7.  Given it won't help Microsoft in non-English speaking countries, but the US and UK are ready to go for Microsoft again if given a decent reason like a cheaper price.



The_Liquid_Laser said:
thismeintiel said:

The big reason they did so well last gen is because the PS3 was $200 more expensive than the 360 and the PS3 had such complicated HW that it took devs awhile to get used to it, resulting in inferior multiplats for the first year or so. Scarlett will be going against a PS5 with most likely the same price and possibly a little more power, which will be on display at launch.

If MS launched this year, they may have been able to drop the price by $50 in time for the PS5's launch, but there would have been a much larger power difference. In that scenario, there is no question that Scarlett would have fared much worse than the XBO.

curl-6 said:

As others have said, it's not quite analogous to PS3 vs 360; a lot of 360's gains came from Sony's disastrous missteps with the PS3, MS cannot rely on Sony being that foolish again with PS5. If Scarlet came out this year, then Sony followed with a significantly more capable PS5 next year, Xbox would most likely get steamrolled. For Scarlet to have a fighting chance they need to be both price and power competitive, that's not gonna happen if they go a year early.

You both are reading the generation 7 wrong.  PS3 flopped because it was too powerful.  That is the main reason.  Power is a disadvantage because it goes hand in hand with a higher price.  XBox360 and PS3 had mostly the same games, but XBox360 was cheaper.  That made it the dominant platform in the US and UK.

The worst thing Sony can do is make PS5 more powerful than Scarlett, because that will drive up the price.  Even if it costs $50 more, it will be a repeat of generation 7.  Given it won't help Microsoft in non-English speaking countries, but the US and UK are ready to go for Microsoft again if given a decent reason like a cheaper price.

Not true; PS3 really wasn't that much more powerful than the 360, it was even weaker in some ways. It was expensive cos it used a ridiculous over-engineered custom chipset and a Blu-Ray player.

PS4 was cheaper than the Xbone yet it was more powerful. PS5 could exceed Scarlet's power at the same price launching a year later.



The holidays will be really interesting in general, but I'm especially interested in seeing how the XBO performs. I'm thinking, unless they go gonzo and have price reductions that go beyond the norm, the current sales climate will manifest itself during that crucial period as well, in the form of markedly lower numbers during black Friday/Christmas. As always, who knows. Maybe they'll pull one out and sell very well with prices that are in step with it's competitors.



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curl-6 said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

You both are reading the generation 7 wrong.  PS3 flopped because it was too powerful.  That is the main reason.  Power is a disadvantage because it goes hand in hand with a higher price.  XBox360 and PS3 had mostly the same games, but XBox360 was cheaper.  That made it the dominant platform in the US and UK.

The worst thing Sony can do is make PS5 more powerful than Scarlett, because that will drive up the price.  Even if it costs $50 more, it will be a repeat of generation 7.  Given it won't help Microsoft in non-English speaking countries, but the US and UK are ready to go for Microsoft again if given a decent reason like a cheaper price.

Not true; PS3 really wasn't that much more powerful than the 360, it was even weaker in some ways. It was expensive cos it used a ridiculous over-engineered custom chipset and a Blu-Ray player.

PS4 was cheaper than the Xbone yet it was more powerful. PS5 could exceed Scarlet's power at the same price launching a year later.

PS3 was more powerful than the 360.  I am including the Blu-Ray drive in that, since a Blu-Ray disc has significantly more capacity than a XB360 disc.  Overall the specs on the PS3 were clearly better (disc drive, clock speed, hard drive, etc...), but that drove up the price.

PS4 also proves my point, because the PS4 launched at a cheaper price and it trounced on the XB1.  Price matters a lot.  Price matters so much that it also makes power a disadvantage.  All other things being equal the weaker console has an advantage over a more powerful one.  Of course an expensive peripheral like Kinect can totally destroy that advantage, but that doesn't change the fact that having the weaker console is an advantage.  This is especially true when comparing Sony and Microsoft consoles, because they get mostly the same games.  In the end a lot of people just buy the cheaper console, and the easiest way to be cheaper is to be weaker.