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Random_Matt said:
Yeah, I called this a long time ago. It is EA, what did you expect? Whatever happens they will scapegoat Bioware and close them down eventually.

And it is also just Bioware that sucks these days.



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Random_Matt said:
Yeah, I called this a long time ago. It is EA, what did you expect? Whatever happens they will scapegoat Bioware and close them down eventually.

I always had a suspicion that most of the fault was on Bioware for making these crappy games and honestly Jason's prior article basically proved that. Aside from EA stepping in and just outright cancelling projects (which gamers would still find a way to blame EA on) there was not a whole lot that EA could have done - Anthem basically restarted development at multiple times, it needed to be released. 



Whether Dragon Age turns out to be a GaS or not, it still is made by EA and post-Andromeda Bioware. That alone is reason enough to stay far away until a long time has passed.



You know it deserves the GOTY.

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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Random_Matt said:
Yeah, I called this a long time ago. It is EA, what did you expect? Whatever happens they will scapegoat Bioware and close them down eventually.

I always had a suspicion that most of the fault was on Bioware for making these crappy games and honestly Jason's prior article basically proved that. Aside from EA stepping in and just outright cancelling projects (which gamers would still find a way to blame EA on) there was not a whole lot that EA could have done - Anthem basically restarted development at multiple times, it needed to be released. 

And I have always swore that EA have always told developers what they want. EA have always wielded power, I do not believe half of the shite that has come from Bioware is what they actually wanted to make. Just like Rare did not want to make that shitty fable game, that was all MS's idea, there are probably very few developers who are given complete freedom aside from Sony ones.



Dulfite said:
Random question here. I loved Kotor 1 and 2, enjoyed ME 1-3 (I think, if I recall, 2 was my favorite but I could be wrong). I hated DA1, didn't play a lot of it nor any of the sequels. Would I enjoy DA: Inquisition?

My opinion is bias, as I may have stated, but I will add to Matt's reply. DA:O is more tactical than this. You can definitely spam attacks as more of an action RPG than Origins. The fetch quests were a big gripe for many but honestly, ignore them, they are 'side' for a reason. Only reason to do them is for trophy hunters. (Ignore shards and requisitions, helps loads).

The game becomes 100% better when you aren't trying to reach some silly area farming or collecting stuff but just getting on with the game. There is more than enough content for that. First part is in one are where you are meant to meet a person then gain a small amount of power to progress the story (power is needed to do that). But based on early impressions people just stayed in that first area and farmed and gain power not leaving or opening up the main game. Once you finish the first chapter the game opens up with more of the world to explore.



Hmm, pie.

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I have no problem with that. I like the idea of game as service; really looking forward DA4.
It is different than being an MMO tho.



Random_Matt said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I always had a suspicion that most of the fault was on Bioware for making these crappy games and honestly Jason's prior article basically proved that. Aside from EA stepping in and just outright cancelling projects (which gamers would still find a way to blame EA on) there was not a whole lot that EA could have done - Anthem basically restarted development at multiple times, it needed to be released. 

And I have always swore that EA have always told developers what they want. EA have always wielded power, I do not believe half of the shite that has come from Bioware is what they actually wanted to make. Just like Rare did not want to make that shitty fable game, that was all MS's idea, there are probably very few developers who are given complete freedom aside from Sony ones.

Ok - that is not an argument against quality, though. Most AAA titles get the criticism of feeling "soulless" and no doubt countless people in the industry work at a job not because it's what they want to do but because it's stable. Guess what? Those games still get received much better, have less problems, and sell millions. And the reality of having a job is that you're going to have to separate doing what you want most from making the best product possible on occasion. 

The whole "EA DOES/DOES NOT GIVE BIOWARE CONTROL HISSSSSSS!!!" argument is ultimately pointless because it's always based on speculation. All I'll say is that most Ex-Bioware and Bioware employees have attested to the amount of creative freedom EA gives them when interviewed. And yes that could very well be because of the industry and studios not trusting employees who badmouthed prior employers, but even in this Jason Schrier (you know, an actual insider?) interview with a Bioware employee that was not in any way "official" or known by the EA/Bioware prior to its publication - it is basically said that Anthem was Bioware's idea. 

Bioware had multiple opportunities to make a better product and failed. They have been failing not since the mid-eigth gen but since the ending of the 7th one. Even Dragon Age Inquisition was a game multiple employees wanted to fail so that the higher ups in Bioware would get the message that this kind of development process is risky and stupid  



Well, let's see how the game fares first and then we'll bash on it if it ends up being another sub-par product with EA's "beautiful" touch.



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Seems like I'll be skipping DA4. Not interested in an online only game filled with micro-transactions. RIP Bioware.



vivster said:
I'm not worried at all. Now that Anthem failed so spectacularly everything will be fine. Unless DA4 becomes a full on MMO we'll be fine.

Honestly, I'd prefer it if Dragon Age 4 were an actual MMO, as that's at least a tried and true genre. The Games as Service thing is basically the worst of both worlds.