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the-pi-guy said:

@SpokenTruth 

Are you still reading the Mueller report?  Any goodies that few have noticed?

I've started going back over it to compile excerpts but I do have a summary prepared.

Russia Interference in the 2016 Election - It is concluded that this did take place by way of massive social media campaigns from bots (unattended computer accounts), paid trolls and ad campaigns. They organized grass roots rallies by posing as US citizens. They also hacked and phished (a social engineering method to obtain access credentials) networks for Hillary Clinton, the Democratic National Convention and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and released infiltrated information to Wikileaks.

Collusion - It is concluded that direct conspiracy between the Trump Campaign and Russia did not happen. It is noted that attempts to open communication between the two entities failed. It is also noted that while they did not work together, they did work in concert. The Trump Campaign knew of the above referenced interference and not only did not act on mitigating it but encouraged further activity. It wasn't so much coordinated collusion as it was welcomed, accepted and requested interference. Much of the requested evidence was either destroyed or not stored on devices with long term storage.

Obstruction - It is concluded that the President Trump had directly interfered with the Special Council investigation but that because of the rights and authority granted a president, he cannot be charged with any obstruction based crime. It is the Department of Justice policy to not indict a sitting president. Robert Mueller has specifically given indictment purview to Congress. Much of the requested evidence was either destroyed or not stored on devices with long term storage.

Further actions - Several aspects of all three facets of the investigation were handed off to other investigating bodies depending on the nature of the crime being investigated. We have already seen many of those reach their conclusion but several more are still on-going. Much of the Mueller Report was redacted due in part to those on-going investigations.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

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SpokenTruth said:
the-pi-guy said:

@SpokenTruth 

Are you still reading the Mueller report?  Any goodies that few have noticed?

I've started going back over it to compile excerpts but I do have a summary prepared.

Russia Interference in the 2016 Election - It is concluded that this did take place by way of massive social media campaigns from bots (unattended computer accounts), paid trolls and ad campaigns. They organized grass roots rallies by posing as US citizens. They also hacked and phished (a social engineering method to obtain access credentials) networks for Hillary Clinton, the Democratic National Convention and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and released infiltrated information to Wikileaks.

Collusion - It is concluded that direct conspiracy between the Trump Campaign and Russia did not happen. It is noted that attempts to open communication between the two entities failed. It is also noted that while they did not work together, they did work in concert. The Trump Campaign knew of the above referenced interference and not only did not act on mitigating it but encouraged further activity. It wasn't so much coordinated collusion as it was welcomed, accepted and requested interference. Much of the requested evidence was either destroyed or not stored on devices with long term storage.

Obstruction - It is concluded that the President Trump had directly interfered with the Special Council investigation but that because of the rights and authority granted a president, he cannot be charged with any obstruction based crime. It is the Department of Justice policy to not indict a sitting president. Robert Mueller has specifically given indictment purview to Congress. Much of the requested evidence was either destroyed or not stored on devices with long term storage.

Further actions - Several aspects of all three facets of the investigation were handed off to other investigating bodies depending on the nature of the crime being investigated. We have already seen many of those reach their conclusion but several more are still on-going. Much of the Mueller Report was redacted due in part to those on-going investigations.

"It is concluded that this did take place by way of massive social media campaigns from bots (unattended computer accounts), paid trolls and ad campaigns."

do you or anyone else have any examples of these ads that russians paid for to influence people from an entirely different culture?



jason1637 said:
o_O.Q said:

if you are determined to force women to have children they do not want to have, are you willing to personally take care of those children yourself?

No I'm not but there are people who will.

wow you aren't? so how then can you be in support of forcing women to have children that you don't have to give a crap about anyway? never mind that its a denial of women's bodily autonomy



NightlyPoe said:
o_O.Q said:

if you are determined to force women to have children they do not want to have, are you willing to personally take care of those children yourself?

I'm not determined to force anyone to do anything.  All I wish is to prevent homicide of the most innocent.

"All I wish is to prevent homicide of the most innocent."

yes i'd agree with you that its murder, but so what?

we eliminate people in society when it has been proven that they have a negative impact on society

in this case the scope is narrowed to the woman only

but yes i'd agree that its fairly pathetic how people will try to rationalise that its not murder because its "just a clump of cells" 



o_O.Q said:
jason1637 said:

No I'm not but there are people who will.

wow you aren't? so how then can you be in support of forcing women to have children that you don't have to give a crap about anyway? never mind that its a denial of women's bodily autonomy

I do care about their lives, I just can't afford to take care of children nor am i mature enough to do so. Also nobody is forcing women to care for these children themselves. Like someone else has pointed out in this thread there are about 2 million couples waiting to adopt children.



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jason1637 said:
o_O.Q said:

wow you aren't? so how then can you be in support of forcing women to have children that you don't have to give a crap about anyway? never mind that its a denial of women's bodily autonomy

I do care about their lives, I just can't afford to take care of children nor am i mature enough to do so. Also nobody is forcing women to care for these children themselves. Like someone else has pointed out in this thread there are about 2 million couples waiting to adopt children.

So you deeply care about their lives but you still personally want nothing to do with them once they're born, gotcha

Last edited by collint0101 - on 17 May 2019

o_O.Q said:
SpokenTruth said:

I've started going back over it to compile excerpts but I do have a summary prepared.

Russia Interference in the 2016 Election - It is concluded that this did take place by way of massive social media campaigns from bots (unattended computer accounts), paid trolls and ad campaigns. They organized grass roots rallies by posing as US citizens. They also hacked and phished (a social engineering method to obtain access credentials) networks for Hillary Clinton, the Democratic National Convention and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and released infiltrated information to Wikileaks.

Collusion - It is concluded that direct conspiracy between the Trump Campaign and Russia did not happen. It is noted that attempts to open communication between the two entities failed. It is also noted that while they did not work together, they did work in concert. The Trump Campaign knew of the above referenced interference and not only did not act on mitigating it but encouraged further activity. It wasn't so much coordinated collusion as it was welcomed, accepted and requested interference. Much of the requested evidence was either destroyed or not stored on devices with long term storage.

Obstruction - It is concluded that the President Trump had directly interfered with the Special Council investigation but that because of the rights and authority granted a president, he cannot be charged with any obstruction based crime. It is the Department of Justice policy to not indict a sitting president. Robert Mueller has specifically given indictment purview to Congress. Much of the requested evidence was either destroyed or not stored on devices with long term storage.

Further actions - Several aspects of all three facets of the investigation were handed off to other investigating bodies depending on the nature of the crime being investigated. We have already seen many of those reach their conclusion but several more are still on-going. Much of the Mueller Report was redacted due in part to those on-going investigations.

"It is concluded that this did take place by way of massive social media campaigns from bots (unattended computer accounts), paid trolls and ad campaigns."

do you or anyone else have any examples of these ads that russians paid for to influence people from an entirely different culture?

I'm curious about your last phrase.  "to influence people from an entirely different culture?"  What are you alluding to here? 


That said, Congress has blocked the release of the investigation evidence and documentation so we don't know of many of the ads and groups at this time.  They have released a few as a representative sample such as the ones below:



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

collint0101 said:
jason1637 said:

I do care about their lives, I just can't afford to take care of children nor am i mature enough to do so. Also nobody is forcing women to care for these children themselves. Like someone else has pointed out in this thread there are about 2 million couples waiting to adopt children.

So you deeply care about their lives but you still personally want nothing to do with them once they're born, gotcha

Because I'm not in a position to take care of kids. You can care about others but can't take care of them. There are millions of people who can and are willing to care for them anyway.



jason1637 said:
collint0101 said:

So you deeply care about their lives but you still personally want nothing to do with them once they're born, gotcha

Because I'm not in a position to take care of kids. You can care about others but can't take care of them. There are millions of people who can and are willing to care for them anyway.

Adoption is one thing but it says nothing about our overburdened foster care system. Aside from that I find it ironic that the pro life crowd is mostly made up of republicans that actively stand against programs such as free and reduced lunch, better and more efficient public education spending, government backed daycare, universal healthcare, more expansive paternity leave for both mothers and fathers ect that would actually benefit these children. The inability to properly care for a child is one of the biggest reasons people want an abortion in the first place. 



collint0101 said:
jason1637 said:

Because I'm not in a position to take care of kids. You can care about others but can't take care of them. There are millions of people who can and are willing to care for them anyway.

Adoption is one thing but it says nothing about our overburdened foster care system. Aside from that I find it ironic that the pro life crowd is mostly made up of republicans that actively stand against programs such as free and reduced lunch, better and more efficient public education spending, government backed daycare, universal healthcare, more expansive paternity leave for both mothers and fathers ect that would actually benefit these children. The inability to properly care for a child is one of the biggest reasons people want an abortion in the first place. 

Well there are probably people who are pro life that are against the things you mentioned but from my experience most people who are pro life just think that life is sacred period.