uran10 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:
See, this is one of the reasons why I'm a big supporter of compulsory voting. As if everybody is not just allowed to vote, but has to vote, they simply can't exclude people from voting lists for no good reason.
Or like I told my German teacher 16 years ago who thought compulsory voting would be dictatorial and compulsory military service as the pinnacle of democracy:
"With compulsory voting, Adolf (Hitler) would never had been voted into office. With reintroduction of the compulsory military service, he was able to start both a world war and a genocide. So, which one did you find democratic and which one demagogic again?"
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I disagree somewhat, I don't agree with compulsory voting, but I do agree with everyone being automatically registered at age 18. That way they couldn't purge anyone from any polls since everyone is registered. Voting and not voting is also a part of democracy, I mean.. if I could have voted in 2016 I would have voted for Jill, but if it was just trump and Hillary? lol sitting home.
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I disagree with this argument. It's what's usually trotted out against compulsory voting, and it's conservative nonsense, because they can make you come out, but they can't make you vote for any of the candidates. You can spoil your ballot, that's legal. Under compulsory voting, you can literally come out, write "FUCK YOU" on your ballot, and turn it in. For electronic voting, you'd have to choose write-in and write in "FUCK YOU" but it still gets the same point across. All citizens should have to vote, it should be a civic duty. Even if you only come out to say that you reject everything they have to offer, you should still have to do it.
With compulsory voting, forget Macron barely beating a fascist in France, instead you'd likely have had Jean-Luc Mélenchon of France Unbowed, the democratic socialist party, winning the 2017 election in France. With compulsory voting, not only would Brexit definitely not have happened, there's a good chance there would be a Labour majority under Corbyn right now. Bernie wouldn't have to build an international progressive front, because it wouldn't have waited for him to build itself. It's no cure-all, as Australia can attest, but it beats what we have by a long shot and would fundamentally change campaigning from a "turn-out-the-base" strategy to an actual contest of ideas and persuasion.