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PortisheadBiscuit on 26 January 2019
youngbr said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Interesting, it seemed like you wanted conflict from the jump. Accusing the site of Nintendo bias and accusing Nintendo of just wanting money and not players. Very volatile, but I digress. 

I still think the same way btw. If you want players, you make effort. If you can't understand how other countries works because you prob. live in a country that buying a game isn't a problem to you. I am sorry, the other person replied way more polite than you and actually understands because he also lives in a country that Nintendo is not active while SONY is.

Clearly Sony has a business model that allows them to have an active presence in South America and be profitable, they're not out there doing charity work. Like zorg already explained to you, 100,000 employee conglomerate vs a 5,000 employee game company. It's not just about 'wanting players', it's about wanting returns on investments to stay afloat in a rapidly changing global economy. 



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iron_megalith on 26 January 2019

I'm surprised considering this year had very lackluster deals for pro.



PortisheadBiscuit on 26 January 2019
Kerotan said:

Was that 5BN loss by the end of the gen? If my memory is correct they reduced the overall loss during the last few years. 

Yeah, but the person I was replying to was saying that loss on hardware was basically par for the course, which is true, but PS1 and PS2 didn't see billions in losses like the PS3. Even if PS3 did break even in the end, it was no where near the success of its predecessors or successor. 



The_Liquid_Laser on 26 January 2019
thismeintiel said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:
People are already predicting success for the PS5 without knowing a damn thing about it. Reminds me of the talk just before the PS3 launch.

On the other hand we already know that the Switch is a successful console that is selling comparably to the PS4. Isn't it more logical prediction that the Switch will have the top spot for the next 4+ years?

Not really. Year 3 is where Nintendo consoles usually see their peak, and then see a steady decline. I think this will be the year that Switch peaks. Probably a $249 price tag and/or revision and Pokemon. Nothing Nintendo has is going to match that going forward.

So, at most, Switch will have 2019 and 2020. In 2021, the PS5 will be hitting it's stride, while Switch will be on the way out.

As for PS5, we already know plenty about it. It'll be using a Ryzen CPU (seemingly to be 8 cores, given the recent CPU leak) and a Navi GPU (rumored to at least match a 1080 TI), both providing a nice leap in power. At least 16 GB of RAM (the obvious type being GDDR6.) And while we don't know the price, given that Sony has been releasing consoles for $399 this gen, I'd assume we'll see that same price tag next gen, as well, while MS pushes their most powerful iteration for $499.

Do you have a link to this info?  How reputable would you consider the source?

ArchangelMadzz said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:
People are already predicting success for the PS5 without knowing a damn thing about it. Reminds me of the talk just before the PS3 launch.

On the other hand we already know that the Switch is a successful console that is selling comparably to the PS4. Isn't it more logical prediction that the Switch will have the top spot for the next 4+ years?

Was the PS3 not successful?

Correct.  The PS3 was not successful.

GOWTLOZ said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:
People are already predicting success for the PS5 without knowing a damn thing about it. Reminds me of the talk just before the PS3 launch.

On the other hand we already know that the Switch is a successful console that is selling comparably to the PS4. Isn't it more logical prediction that the Switch will have the top spot for the next 4+ years?

No, Switch will not have console sellers releasing that late, as Nintendo has already released most of their big series on it. Nintendo hardware also doesn't have the brand recognition of PlayStation through the world.

In Japan Nintendo has a much stronger brand than Playstation.  In North America, XBox, Playstation, and Nintendo all have a fairly strong presense, with the edge going to Nintendo mostly because of their handhelds.  It's only in Europe where Playstation has the strongest brand.

colafitte said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I would bet money based on what I know.  About PS5 itself, I know nothing.  About it's competitor, the Switch, I know that it is already successful.  Therefore the safe money is on the Switch.

So you basically are not answering my question because you're chicken out..... I guess that if i change the question and said to you something like "If you WERE FORCED to bet for or against PS5 what would yo do?" you still won't aswering me, right?

Would you not bet then, that the next Pokemon game on Switch is going to be a success? (we know nothing about the game, not even the name, but i'm pretty sure everyone here is expecting it to be a success), or the next 3D Mario game???, or maybe the next COD, or next FIFA, we know nothing about their next games either, so you won't bet they will succeed next year either? even if you were forced to do it?

I did answer the exact question you asked.  When I am betting for Switch, I am betting against PS5.

zorg1000 said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

False.  You forgot to include the PSP and Vita.  Sony loses to Nintendo 50% of the time.  Their track record is the same as a coin flip.

Also, you are already declaring 2022 victory for PS5 and you don't know anything about it.  Everything we know about the PS5 comes from our own imagination.  Or do you have an insider source that the rest of us don't have?  All of these declarations about the PS5 are based on make believe and also on a track record that Sony doesn't actually have.

Nope, they are irrelevant when discussing their home consoles.

It's a good thing that the PS5 won't be competing against a handheld.  Oh wait....



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zorg1000 on 26 January 2019
The_Liquid_Laser said:

zorg1000 said:

Nope, they are irrelevant when discussing their home consoles.

It's a good thing that the PS5 won't be competing against a handheld.  Oh wait....

What the hell does that have to do with PSP/Vita? You cant just make up random shit and call it an argument.

You: why do people assume PS5 will do well?

Me: they have a good track record with 3/4 home consoles being dominant

You: you're ignoring PSP/Vita

Me: those dont matter when talking about home consoles

You: PS5 will be competing with a handheld

 

Literally none of your replies are relevant to what we are talking about.



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KLAMarine on 26 January 2019
Evilms said:

PlayStation is the one and only true king for home consoles.

PS1+PS2+PS3+PS4 = 440.83 millions

Nes+S.Nes+N64+NGC+Wii+WiiU+Switch = 311.37 millions

XBX+360+XB1 = 151.65 millions

 

No possible contestation

No mention of handhelds?...



Megiddo on 26 January 2019
KLAMarine said:
Evilms said:

PlayStation is the one and only true king for home consoles.

PS1+PS2+PS3+PS4 = 440.83 millions

Nes+S.Nes+N64+NGC+Wii+WiiU+Switch = 311.37 millions

XBX+360+XB1 = 151.65 millions

 

No possible contestation

No mention of handhelds?...

No, because Nintendo is the "true king" of handhelds as Sony is the "true king" of home consoles.



The_Liquid_Laser on 26 January 2019
zorg1000 said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

It's a good thing that the PS5 won't be competing against a handheld.  Oh wait....

What the hell does that have to do with PSP/Vita? You cant just make up random shit and call it an argument.

You: why do people assume PS5 will do well?

Me: they have a good track record with 3/4 home consoles being dominant

You: you're ignoring PSP/Vita

Me: those dont matter when talking about home consoles

You: PS5 will be competing with a handheld

 

Literally none of your replies are relevant to what we are talking about.

In your original reply you just said "consoles" and not "home consoles".  That is why I bring up the PSP and Vita.

Furthermore my first post was pointing out that people seemed to have learned nothing since the PS3 days.  Before the PS3 launched, Sony really did seem invincible.  They had made no missteps, and it was too early to tell how the PSP was going to do.  Now, it should be obvious that Sony is not invincible.  They CAN lose.  In fact they lose 50% of the time against Nintendo.  Betting on the PS5 before it is even announced is the equivalent to betting on a coin flip.  That is MY point.  People have learned nothing. 

I don't mean to take away from the PS4's success, because that is a legitamate success.  But in the first few posts people are already predicting PS5 success based on absolutely nothing.  Their track record is an illusion.  Sony will not automatically do well just because they are Sony.  They lose to Nintendo 50% of the time.



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Zelda Will Outsell Mario (Achieved)
How Much Will MH Rise sell?
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zorg1000 on 26 January 2019
The_Liquid_Laser said:
zorg1000 said:

What the hell does that have to do with PSP/Vita? You cant just make up random shit and call it an argument.

You: why do people assume PS5 will do well?

Me: they have a good track record with 3/4 home consoles being dominant

You: you're ignoring PSP/Vita

Me: those dont matter when talking about home consoles

You: PS5 will be competing with a handheld

 

Literally none of your replies are relevant to what we are talking about.

In your original reply you just said "consoles" and not "home consoles".  That is why I bring up the PSP and Vita.

Furthermore my first post was pointing out that people seemed to have learned nothing since the PS3 days.  Before the PS3 launched, Sony really did seem invincible.  They had made no missteps, and it was too early to tell how the PSP was going to do.  Now, it should be obvious that Sony is not invincible.  They CAN lose.  In fact they lose 50% of the time against Nintendo.  Betting on the PS5 before it is even announced is the equivalent to betting on a coin flip.  That is MY point.  People have learned nothing. 

I don't mean to take away from the PS4's success, because that is a legitamate success.  But in the first few posts people are already predicting PS5 success based on absolutely nothing.  Their track record is an illusion.  Sony will not automatically do well just because they are Sony.  They lose to Nintendo 50% of the time.

That is where common sense comes in handy. If I say 3/4 consoles sold over 100 million that how could I possibly be referring to anything other than their home consoles?

And again Sony handhelds are irrelevant when talking about their home consoles so no they have not lost 50% of the time to Nintendo. PS5 will not be a handheld so bringing up how PSP/Vita lost DS/3DS is pointless.



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Kerotan on 26 January 2019
zorg1000 said:
Kerotan said:

This week in South Korea and Taiwan the ps4 had a big temporary promotion and was sold for around $230. There were massive lines queuing up.

One thing to take note of is that temporary deals will see more explosive sales since people will rush out to get it before the price goes back up then sales crater afterwards.

Permanent price cuts cause a boost too but they are more about creating an increase in baseline sales rather than a one time boost.

Well I know that but I don't think sales will crater. Maybe for a week or two but the ps4 was selling well in these countries already so it's not like they were at crater levels at the higher price. 

PortisheadBiscuit said:
Kerotan said:

Was that 5BN loss by the end of the gen? If my memory is correct they reduced the overall loss during the last few years. 

Yeah, but the person I was replying to was saying that loss on hardware was basically par for the course, which is true, but PS1 and PS2 didn't see billions in losses like the PS3. Even if PS3 did break even in the end, it was no where near the success of its predecessors or successor. 

Ps3 didn't break even overall. It reduced it's losses but still lost. Yeah the extra revenue from bluray winning would have been sizable and still to this day they are reaping that but I doubt it was enough to counter the big ps3 losses. 

I think I read that it took until 2017 or 2018 for the ps4 to earn back the losses the ps3 had left. Obviously going forward with the ps4 and ps5 the overall playstation business since it launched will be massively up in profits but there's no denying the ps3 was a massive stumbling block.