This, this is much better.

I definitely have to wonder if the PS4's legs will be as good as a traditional PS consoles. Especially if the PS5 is backwards compatible. The Playstation 4's MSRP is still $300, despite the fact that holiday bundles were in the $200 range. And while there are bundles that are great deals even now (like the Spider-Man bundle, which is $320), it seems like it's taking a long time to get the system to $250, let alone $200. If the PS5 launches at $400, which it almost certainly will, the PS4 might not even be half the price for much less power. Someone earlier predicted that the PS4 would do a little bit more than two times what the PS3 did after the PS4 was introduced. Which I guess makes sense considering how well the PS4 is selling, but then again with gaming becoming an increasingly big market I have to wonder if casuals will buy these new systems a lot earlier than they used to. I just don't think that the legs will be the same as the PS1 or PS2's sales. iirc PS1 sold like 29-30 million after the PS2 came out, and the PS2 sold like 50 million after the PS3 came out.

I think though that 130 million is going to happen, though. I think about a year and a half ago I predicted 110-115 million in one of StarDoor's threads, but that was probably me being pessimistic. 13-15 million sales after the PS5's release makes sense. I just wouldn't be surprised if it was half of that.  What I think will make PS4's legs do well after PS5, is that multiplatform games will probably be cross generational. Which will lead to a lot of casuals buying the older cheaper console to play the new game. 

How would it be a bold prediction in the context of how much PS4 would do before the PS5's launch? It seems like a fair prediction in that circumstance. I mean, I would put it a few million above that, but it's not too far off, is the point. 

Guys we already talk about it. It will be 131.5 million.
Damn...

None of each makes much sense, since PS4 will probably have crossed 100M shipped by the time Sony announces PS5, probably even being quite near to selling through 100M.

And that's what I was saying, even if PS5 gets announced and released this year it will pass 100m by the end of the year.

Begin of gen enthusiast and late life buyers aren't the same...

No need to rush.

Gens start usually when they see a decline in SW sold. And PS4 just crossed the peak of HW sales (SW seems like haven't yet), so Holiday 2020 is the most likely year for release (before I was more for 2021).

Let's take the regular premises of console sales we have seem so far.

PS4 sold 91.6M and 2-3M in the channels as regular for holiday season.

Let's expect PS4 to sell 15M in 2019. With about 1/3 of it until middle of the year where E3 would happen (even Sony not participating I wouldn't expect Sony to release info on PS5 before it to release next year, and if they intended to launch PS5 this year they would be on E3, and they haven't made 18 months to reveal to release before).

So 91.6+2+5 =98.6M

So pretty big chance PS4 cross 100M shipped before PS5 is even announced. And I think Feb-May 2020 is more likely for the reveal of PS5 and launch in holiday. If they want to copy nintendo then Reveal in PSX in December and launch in March-May. In this situation PS4 would already have sold through 100M before PS5 reveal.

Great, an d w

Great and with Kingdom Hearts and Resident Evil another Hardware push