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What generation is the Nintendo Switch?

Generation 8 (PS4, XBoxOne) 71 44.94%
 
Generation 9 57 36.08%
 
Generation 1 (of the hybrid era) 14 8.86%
 
I don't care...I come to VGC for the chicks 16 10.13%
 
Total:158

I think we should change the way we discuss generations in gaming.

Generation 1 is 2D, stationary controller gaming (Atari 2600, Sega Genesis, PS2, etc). Generation 2 is 2D gaming with motion controls (Kinect, Wii). Generation 3 is VR/AR/3D. So, Switch is generation 1 and 2. I can't wait to see what we get in gen 4.

But, if we stick with same, boring generation classification system, I'd put Switch in gen 8. In much the same way that an older brother and younger sister are part of the same generation, so are Wii U and Switch.



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Pemalite said:
Shiken said:

Gen 1 of hybrid devices. There is really no other way to look at it. I mean, it has all of Nintendo's 1st party console games...so it is a console. But it also has many games on the eshop that you would expect on a handheld...so it is a handheld. Plus all of those console games can be taken on the go.

The WiiU was a hybrid device.

No it wasn't, you were always tied to being where your TV was.  Just because you could play on the tablet controller right by your TV does not mean it offered portable gameplay.  I could not play mine from my truck during my break at work like I can the Switch or a dedicated handheld device, therefore it is not a portable by any means.


The Sega Nomad could have been considered a Hybrid device as it was a portable device that could also be connected to your TV and play Sega Genesis carts.
Also can't forget the nVidia shield either. - https://nyko.com/products/nvidia-shield-dock

Fair enough.  3rd gen, but first gen as a mainstream device.  Neither of those made the impact that the Switch is now.

So I don't think we can consider the Switch to be in the same generation as those devices.

Shiken said:

Bottom line is that there is really nothing else like the Switch out there. It can be used as a console or a handheld, and therefore it is a hybrid. Sure it is essentially a handheld with an HDMI out, but it also steps of the processors and pushes the device further docked than it would handheld, which makes it a little more than just a handheld in reality. Not to mention there are some who play exclusively docked making is a console for them specifically.

There are tons of devices out there, usually Android powered.

If we are going to group them in with android powered devices, then we may as well group the PS4 and X1 into the same category as different PC builds.  That would certainly put them anywhere else than the "gen 8" most people try to put them in.

At the end of the day, anyone can twist things and place any device in any given generation.  However we are talking about the major consoles and handhelds in the industry, not devices that most people never knew existed.  If we covered every device on the face of the planet, the entire discussion becomes meaningless and void of any real point.



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Shiken said:

No it wasn't, you were always tied to being where your TV was.  Just because you could play on the tablet controller right by your TV does not mean it offered portable gameplay.  I could not play mine from my truck during my break at work like I can the Switch or a dedicated handheld device, therefore it is not a portable by any means.

Yes it was.
The fact you had a tablet as a controller and can do off-screen gaming was a testament to that, the distance from your "base station/console" was just a limitation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-TV_Play

Shiken said:

Fair enough.  3rd gen, but first gen as a mainstream device.  Neither of those made the impact that the Switch is now.

It is one or the other. Because some of those other devices were "mainstream". - Or do you have another goal post to shift towards? I.E. Sales/Popularity?

Shiken said:

If we are going to group them in with android powered devices, then we may as well group the PS4 and X1 into the same category as different PC builds.  That would certainly put them anywhere else than the "gen 8" most people try to put them in.

Not grouping them with anything, just the general concepts have existed much longer than the Switch has existed.

But sure, if you want to group that Playstation 4 and Xbox One with the PC, go right ahead, got nothing against that.



Pemalite said:
Shiken said:

No it wasn't, you were always tied to being where your TV was.  Just because you could play on the tablet controller right by your TV does not mean it offered portable gameplay.  I could not play mine from my truck during my break at work like I can the Switch or a dedicated handheld device, therefore it is not a portable by any means.

Yes it was.
The fact you had a tablet as a controller and can do off-screen gaming was a testament to that, the distance from your "base station/console" was just a limitation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-TV_Play

 

Off screen gaming and portable gaming are not the same thing.  The WiiU was a dedicated home console, not a  console/portable hybrid.

 


Shiken said:

Fair enough.  3rd gen, but first gen as a mainstream device.  Neither of those made the impact that the Switch is now.

It is one or the other. Because some of those other devices were "mainstream". - Or do you have another goal post to shift towards? I.E. Sales/Popularity?

 

What are you talking about?  I said the Switch was gen 3 then.  I am just simply pointing out that the Switch was the first one to make a real impact.  I never said it was not one way or the other lol.

 

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Given generations are an artificial construct, the Switch is currently Gen 8. Until the next Sony and Microsoft consoles come out, at which point everyone will re-classify it as gen 9. This little issue is why we see "current generation" used far more often lately. It allows writers to easily explain stories in the context of PS4, XB1 and Switch without dealing with pedantic "Switch isn't generation 8" arguments.



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Switch is defiantly new Nintendo generation console, it's more complicated to say where generally fits on market,
but IMO it cant be same generation like Wii U in any case.



Shiken said:
Off screen gaming and portable gaming are not the same thing.  The WiiU was a dedicated home console, not a  console/portable hybrid.

Er. The WiiU you could "portably" take your game-pad up to around 8-meters from the base station.

Remember... You also said the key word "Hybrid". - It's a step between being able to take it everywhere... And having a fixed device... You know... What this entire argument is about?

Shiken said:

 

What are you talking about?  I said the Switch was gen 3 then.  I am just simply pointing out that the Switch was the first one to make a real impact.  I never said it was not one way or the other lol.

You said it was a first gen and a third gen. Re-read your post.



I think at this point Nintendo consoles are mid gen consoles 8.5 not a true 9th generation console but also not a true 8th generation console



Pemalite said:
Shiken said:
Off screen gaming and portable gaming are not the same thing.  The WiiU was a dedicated home console, not a  console/portable hybrid.

Er. The WiiU you could "portably" take your game-pad up to around 8-meters from the base station.

Remember... You also said the key word "Hybrid". - It's a step between being able to take it everywhere... And having a fixed device... You know... What this entire argument is about?

 

I can play within 8 meters of my PS4 Pro as well, just a bit further away from the screen.  Does that make the PS4 or X1 a portable as well?  I mean, by that logic all wireless devices would be "portable".

 

Shiken said:

 

What are you talking about?  I said the Switch was gen 3 then.  I am just simply pointing out that the Switch was the first one to make a real impact.  I never said it was not one way or the other lol.

You said it was a first gen and a third gen. Re-read your post.

 

I said that it was 3rd gen after you made your point, but pointed out that it was the 1st gen that made an impact in the mainstream.  I never said it was both (though my wording could have been better, I admit).  The only time I claimed 1st gen was before you brought up the Sega system and the Nvidia Shield, which I acknowledged by stating that Switch was more accurately a 3rd gen hybrid.



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Shiken said:

I can play within 8 meters of my PS4 Pro as well, just a bit further away from the screen.  Does that make the PS4 or X1 a portable as well?  I mean, by that logic all wireless devices would be "portable".

Your logic is flawed, your argument is absurd.
If you cannot see that the WiiU is a hybrid platform with it's portable screen, then I am not sure what to tell you.

Shiken said:

I said that it was 3rd gen after you made your point, but pointed out that it was the 1st gen that made an impact in the mainstream.  I never said it was both (though my wording could have been better, I admit).  The only time I claimed 1st gen was before you brought up the Sega system and the Nvidia Shield, which I acknowledged by stating that Switch was more accurately a 3rd gen hybrid.

 

And I quote:

Shiken said:

3rd gen, but first gen as a mainstream device.

You said it was both. - Literally in the same sentence.