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RDR2 Reviews! Metacritic - 97(PS4)/97(XBO) / Opencritic - 97

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What's your score prediction?

96 above 47 47.47%
 
91-95 43 43.43%
 
86-90 6 6.06%
 
81-85 0 0.00%
 
80 below 3 3.03%
 
Total:99
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
shikamaru317 said:

I have now read multiple statements from Rockstar devs saying that any overtime they have worked they volunteered for. One woman said the longest week she has worked since she began on RDR2 2 years ago was 58 hours, far less than this 100 hour figure that is floating around. The 100 hour figure came from an interview and was very likely exaggerated because Dan wanted to show the level of dedication to making the game as good as possible that his team has. 

Also, even if it is true, critics shouldn't let it affect their scores. They are there to judge the game, not the working practices of the developer. They might actually do more harm than good, if these devs really have been busting their butts working long weeks to get the game ready for release and make sure it is polished and perfect, it would be devastating for them to see the game review lower than expected, it would mean all of their hard work was for nothing. Some publishers even deny their developers a cash bonus if a game's metascore falls below a certain level, any critic who let lets this news affect their score could actually be directly hurting the developers they claim to be defending. Not sure if Take Two is one of those publishers, but I know that Zenimax (Bethesda parent company) has been guilty of doing that in the past. 

This is an incredibly weak argument from you and I pretty much already addressed it. People do not like challenging authority. People who complain about long dev times are less likely to find good jobs as developers for major companies. And "volunteer".... hm ... wonder how that can be exploited. 

The best thing to do is just not take a side on the matter. I don't think Rockstar is inherently guilty or innocent, and quite honestly most of the testimony saying that Rockstar is a good company does not actually go against or disprove testimony that states the opposite.  We don't have enough information right now. But the answer is not to judge label those who are concerned as SJWs. Give me a break. This is the same kind of crap you did with The Witcher TV series where you over reacted and then got denied the satisfaction of being right. Even if Rockstar is innocent, your condemnation of people who have some concern is ridiculous. STOP IT. 

As for your last point, none of that is disagreeable. Luckily, that's not the part I was responding to. 

I have no seen no actual developer saying that they have worked a 100 hour week. I might have missed it if that does exist, but I haven't seen it. The 100 hour number came from Dan Houser in an interview, the head of Rockstar, and based on the context it was pretty obvious to me that he was listing it as a positive, not a negative, he was very likely over-exaggerating to show the level of commitment that his team has to making the game perfect. Every response I've seen from actual Rockstar devs suggests that the maximum is about 60 hours, which is par for the course with AAA developers when crunch time hits leading up to release. Now, is it shitty that game developers don't get paid overtime because they are salary workers? Absolutely, I agree that is something that should be changed. But it just seems to me like the internet and the media is singling out Rockstar for something that the entire AAA industry does, and that is what annoys me. 

Why do you seem to have such a problem with the term SJW? Seems like it sets you off for no reason at all. It's just a blanket label for people on the left who are becoming increasingly belligerent in their quest for what they consider to be social equality. It's no different from when the left labels anyone they disagree with as alt-righters, even when the person who happens to disagree with them happens to fall closer to the center of the political spectrum. The Witcher tv thing was absolutely not an overreaction by fans, they reacted exactly the way any fanbase would when they learned of a potential serious mistake being made by those in charge of the IP. There is no proof as of yet that they weren't actually going to through with BAME Ciri before the backlash from fans, it's possible that they posted that casting call on purpose just to test the fanbase and see what they could get away with. Even still we ended up getting a race change for another character besides Ciri, they changed the race of Fringilla Vigo. 



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Ill go with a 97.



shikamaru317 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

This is an incredibly weak argument from you and I pretty much already addressed it. People do not like challenging authority. People who complain about long dev times are less likely to find good jobs as developers for major companies. And "volunteer".... hm ... wonder how that can be exploited. 

The best thing to do is just not take a side on the matter. I don't think Rockstar is inherently guilty or innocent, and quite honestly most of the testimony saying that Rockstar is a good company does not actually go against or disprove testimony that states the opposite.  We don't have enough information right now. But the answer is not to judge label those who are concerned as SJWs. Give me a break. This is the same kind of crap you did with The Witcher TV series where you over reacted and then got denied the satisfaction of being right. Even if Rockstar is innocent, your condemnation of people who have some concern is ridiculous. STOP IT. 

As for your last point, none of that is disagreeable. Luckily, that's not the part I was responding to. 

I have no seen no actual developer saying that they have worked a 100 hour week. I might have missed it if that does exist, but I haven't seen it. The 100 hour number came from Dan Houser in an interview, the head of Rockstar, and based on the context it was pretty obvious to me that he was listing it as a positive, not a negative, he was very likely over-exaggerating to show the level of commitment that his team has to making the game perfect. Every response I've seen from actual Rockstar devs suggests that the maximum is about 60 hours, which is par for the course with AAA developers when crunch time hits leading up to release. Now, is it shitty that game developers don't get paid overtime because they are salary workers? Absolutely, I agree that is something that should be changed. But it just seems to me like the internet and the media is singling out Rockstar for something that the entire AAA industry does, and that is what annoys me. 

Why do you seem to have such a problem with the term SJW? Seems like it sets you off for no reason at all. It's just a blanket label for people on the left who are becoming increasingly belligerent in their quest for what they consider to be social equality. It's no different from when the left labels anyone they disagree with as alt-righters, even when the person who happens to disagree with them happens to fall closer to the center of the political spectrum. The Witcher tv thing was absolutely not an overreaction by fans, they reacted exactly the way any fanbase would when they learned of a potential serious mistake being made by those in charge of the IP. There is no proof as of yet that they weren't actually going to through with BAME Ciri before the backlash from fans, it's possible that they posted that casting call on purpose just to test the fanbase and see what they could get away with. Even still we ended up getting a race change for another character besides Ciri, they changed the race of Fringilla Vigo. 

I think our conversation is done at this point. The only point I wanted to make was that you need to stop labeling people as SJWs for caring about the situation at Rockstar, and it seems like most of the points you are talking about is just disproving the allegations which again, I do not even necessarily believe. 

Labeling is bad too when leftists do it, just calling anyone you disagree with as alt-right is terrible. 

If you want to take it to PMs we can (although honestly I feel I have made my point, and I'm going to be busy today so ... but feel free if you want to), but I do not see any reason to bother the thread with this. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I think our conversation is done at this point. The only point I wanted to make was that you need to stop labeling people as SJWs for caring about the situation at Rockstar, and it seems like most of the points you are talking about is just disproving the allegations which again, I do not even necessarily believe. 

Labeling is bad too when leftists do it, just calling anyone you disagree with as alt-right is terrible. 

If you want to take it to PMs we can (although honestly I feel I have made my point, and I'm going to be busy today so ... but feel free if you want to), but I do not see any reason to bother the thread with this. 

I apologize if I offend you or anyone else by using the term. It's just easier to hit 3 keys on a keyboard than to write out something longer that accurately covers the group of people that I'm talking about. And yes I realize that not everyone who is upset about these reports is a stereotypical "SJW", there are those in the center and right who want to see the no-paid overtime at game developers problem fixed, myself included. I just feel like it's going to be sites like Polygon who have shown themselves to be very leftist in the past who are going to let it affect their reviews. That is the only reason why I used the term in this thread.

I too am done with this conversation because we've derailed the thread enough for one day xD  Hope you have a nice day. I've got some AC Odyssey to play personally, I have alot to finish in that game before RDR2 hits next week xD



shikamaru317 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

I think our conversation is done at this point. The only point I wanted to make was that you need to stop labeling people as SJWs for caring about the situation at Rockstar, and it seems like most of the points you are talking about is just disproving the allegations which again, I do not even necessarily believe. 

Labeling is bad too when leftists do it, just calling anyone you disagree with as alt-right is terrible. 

If you want to take it to PMs we can (although honestly I feel I have made my point, and I'm going to be busy today so ... but feel free if you want to), but I do not see any reason to bother the thread with this. 

I apologize if I offend you or anyone else by using the term. It's just easier to hit 3 keys on a keyboard than to write out something longer that accurately covers the group of people that I'm talking about. And yes I realize that not everyone who is upset about these reports is a stereotypical "SJW", there are those in the center and right who want to see the no-paid overtime at game developers problem fixed, myself included. I just feel like it's going to be sites like Polygon who have shown themselves to be very leftist in the past who are going to let it affect their reviews. That is the only reason why I used the term in this thread.

I too am done with this conversation because we've derailed the thread enough for one day xD  Hope you have a nice day. I've got some AC Odyssey to play personally, I have alot to finish in that game before RDR2 hits next week xD

Thanks. Have a nice day too. 



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witcher 3 and breath of the wild are my two favorite games this generation(you can like both without downplaying the other). I'm hoping this is as good as both



I figured I'll just put this here instead of making a new thread.

The game will be in two discs(at least on PS4).



             

Nintendo Switch FC: SW-6340-7643-4233 aka Renji

Steam: Lee Roid

Game comes with a map. Awesome.



bananaking21 said:
Game comes with a map. Awesome.

Now I'm wondering if the Map is the same as the ones you get with the Special and Ultimate Editions.

Nvm, if it's the same as GTAV, the maps will be slightly different according to a poster on the tweet.

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Nintendo Switch FC: SW-6340-7643-4233 aka Renji

Steam: Lee Roid

I actually think it's kind of cool that it comes on two discs, reminds me of the old PSOne days with big RPGs lol... wish more games would do it even if only for the novelty, lol. Also cool that it has a map too.

I'll admit I've actually looked at NOTHING for Red Dead Redemption 2 aside from the first few screenshots they showed off and some animal pictures they posted on Facebook. Not watched any trailers or gameplay or anything, since originally I wasn't interested in it (Despite loving the western setting in general) but as release is creeping closer I'm tempted to actually take a look at it all and get hyped, since I can imagine myself buying it somewhere down the line anyway...

Although another thing I have to admit is I've never finished the first game lol, and the reason for that is because while I was doing my playthrough (Which I really enjoyed), I had the whole game and ending spoiled for me, and whenever I find spoilers, it puts me off wanting to play the game in question, so I just never went back to it... might do that before buying the second at some point.