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Please don't. The biggest issue with LGBT integration is the constant singling out. Sexuality is not a character trait. Sexuality, especially in video games, has little to no actual meaning to the story. So even mentioning it comes off as attention grabbing rather than being progressive. If you want to have LGBT characters in games, great. Advertising it as if it's a big deal is simply exploitation.

I was always under the impression that the greatest goal for LGBT people is to be accepted as equals in the community. How are we gonna do this if you are constantly singling them out as if they're special? News flash, having a sexual orientation or gender does not make you special. It makes you equal to everyone else. Pointing out certain sexualities is helping no one but desperate attention whores. That includes all people and especially the media. You're doing a disservice to everyone.

Sexuality and gender does not matter and as soon as people get that into their thick skulls we can move on with our lives and actually improve society instead of trying to split it at every opportunity.



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Mar1217 said:
Zoombael said:
Now what hell is LGBT PLUS? Does this include furries?

No. 

You can add everything that isn't heteronormative in the "PLUS" though.

Sub-cultures aren't includable.

I'm pretty sure some furries would disagree wholeheartedly.



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vivster said:

Please don't. The biggest issue with LGBT integration is the constant singling out. Sexuality is not a character trait. Sexuality, especially in video games, has little to no actual meaning to the story. So even mentioning it comes off as attention grabbing rather than being progressive. If you want to have LGBT characters in games, great. Advertising it as if it's a big deal is simply exploitation.

I was always under the impression that the greatest goal for LGBT people is to be accepted as equals in the community. How are we gonna do this if you are constantly singling them out as if they're special? News flash, having a sexual orientation or gender does not make you special. It makes you equal to everyone else. Pointing out certain sexualities is helping no one but desperate attention whores. That includes all people and especially the media. You're doing a disservice to everyone.

Sexuality and gender does not matter and as soon as people get that into their thick skulls we can move on with our lives and actually improve society instead of trying to split it at every opportunity.

I don't agree with the premise that "Sexuality is not a character trait." It doesn't have to be, but it can be a strong part of a fictional character depending on the type of story they're involved in.

Yeah, nobody singles out characters for being straight, but they don't need to. It's evident in the relationships they have throughout their stories. Spiderman has Gwen and Mary Jane, Supes has Lana Lang and Lois Lane, Nathan Drake has Elena and Chloe, Mario has Princess Peach and Pauline (okay, so there's no sex, but he's gotten kissed).

However, when an LGBT character has a storyline that involves their romantic relationships, people get bent out of shape. Look at the claims that Ellie has become part of the SJW agenda simply because we see her making out with another girl. Same thing can be said about Wonder Woman being hinted as being bi-sexual (which would kinda make sense considering she's in an a community populated only by women). The people that sprang to action to say "keep sexuality out of our comics" never made a stink about her Justice League teammates having their own romances...because straight is the norm so it's accepted and doesn't have to be singled out. But let's not pretend it isn't represented in games, comics, TV, etc.

In terms of gaming, more and more action games are taking a cinematic approach. Like Uncharted and TLOU, the stories surrounding the characters are just as important as the gameplay to fans of those games. This has been around for a long time in JRPGs and other more story based games. And we've eaten up the romances involved in those genres. Adding sexuality as part of a character's defining trait, whether it be straight or LGBTQABCWhatever is adding a whole other layer of storytelling that people have been interested in since storytelling has existed in games or any other medium. But somehow when non-hetero representations of that are shown, people want to act like it should not be important and should be hidden.

There's no reason for this aside from people being uncomfortable with the unknown and unfamiliar. Otherwise, we wouldn't have any characters in games that have romantic relationships or show romantic displays of affection.



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2) Think theres enough.

3) Probably not, and dont care.

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danasider said:
vivster said:

Please don't. The biggest issue with LGBT integration is the constant singling out. Sexuality is not a character trait. Sexuality, especially in video games, has little to no actual meaning to the story. So even mentioning it comes off as attention grabbing rather than being progressive. If you want to have LGBT characters in games, great. Advertising it as if it's a big deal is simply exploitation.

I was always under the impression that the greatest goal for LGBT people is to be accepted as equals in the community. How are we gonna do this if you are constantly singling them out as if they're special? News flash, having a sexual orientation or gender does not make you special. It makes you equal to everyone else. Pointing out certain sexualities is helping no one but desperate attention whores. That includes all people and especially the media. You're doing a disservice to everyone.

Sexuality and gender does not matter and as soon as people get that into their thick skulls we can move on with our lives and actually improve society instead of trying to split it at every opportunity.

I don't agree with the premise that "Sexuality is not a character trait." It doesn't have to be, but it can be a strong part of a fictional character depending on the type of story they're involved in.

Yeah, nobody singles out characters for being straight, but they don't need to. It's evident in the relationships they have throughout their stories. Spiderman has Gwen and Mary Jane, Supes has Lana Lang and Lois Lane, Nathan Drake has Elena and Chloe, Mario has Princess Peach and Pauline (okay, so there's no sex, but he's gotten kissed).

However, when an LGBT character has a storyline that involves their romantic relationships, people get bent out of shape. Look at the claims that Ellie has become part of the SJW agenda simply because we see her making out with another girl. Same thing can be said about Wonder Woman being hinted as being bi-sexual (which would kinda make sense considering she's in an a community populated only by women). The people that sprang to action to say "keep sexuality out of our comics" never made a stink about her Justice League teammates having their own romances...because straight is the norm so it's accepted and doesn't have to be singled out. But let's not pretend it isn't represented in games, comics, TV, etc.

In terms of gaming, more and more action games are taking a cinematic approach. Like Uncharted and TLOU, the stories surrounding the characters are just as important as the gameplay to fans of those games. This has been around for a long time in JRPGs and other more story based games. And we've eaten up the romances involved in those genres. Adding sexuality as part of a character's defining trait, whether it be straight or LGBTQABCWhatever is adding a whole other layer of storytelling that people have been interested in since storytelling has existed in games or any other medium. But somehow when non-hetero representations of that are shown, people want to act like it should not be important and should be hidden.

There's no reason for this aside from people being uncomfortable with the unknown and unfamiliar. Otherwise, we wouldn't have any characters in games that have romantic relationships or show romantic displays of affection.

The thing is if say 5% of the population is in a same sex relation ship, do you think 5% representation amoung games would be enough?

And what % do you think its at right now?

"Mario has Princess Peach"  common that barely counts as a relationship, cant see how thats +1 for the straight's out there.

Also  be honest, if  you where designing a super hero, for a comic (book or tv) would you make one thats appealing for 95% of the market,
or one for the 5%?

Like I feel LGBT wants more representation that it probably deserves.
These corporations are just out to make money, not to step on anyones toes. 

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TBH I just play games and never really thought about it or noticed what character is what. To me its jsut an adventure I don't dwell on what sexuality a character is.

I guess if there have been any in games I played then they probably have been done well as it wasn't in your face making sure every time something happened you were made aware of it



 

 

vivster said:

Please don't. The biggest issue with LGBT integration is the constant singling out. Sexuality is not a character trait. Sexuality, especially in video games, has little to no actual meaning to the story. So even mentioning it comes off as attention grabbing rather than being progressive. If you want to have LGBT characters in games, great. Advertising it as if it's a big deal is simply exploitation.

I was always under the impression that the greatest goal for LGBT people is to be accepted as equals in the community. How are we gonna do this if you are constantly singling them out as if they're special? News flash, having a sexual orientation or gender does not make you special. It makes you equal to everyone else. Pointing out certain sexualities is helping no one but desperate attention whores. That includes all people and especially the media. You're doing a disservice to everyone.

Sexuality and gender does not matter and as soon as people get that into their thick skulls we can move on with our lives and actually improve society instead of trying to split it at every opportunity.

I was going to respond to you, but @danasider said it all.

As long as people still think that LGBT+ characters (and people, for that matter) should hide their sexuality but straight characters don't, we will still need to talk about it. Wanting these characters to not show their sexuality means you don't really accept non-straight relationships as normal. When straight relationships are not considered the only acceptable kind of relationship, then we won't need to highlight LGBT+ characters anymore. You're trying to skip a stage and go directly to not highlighting LGBT+ characters, but by doing that you're just leaving people in their comfort zone and ignoring all the LGBT+ people that are out there.

Representation of a group of people in the media is and has always been a key factor in social acceptance. That's why it's so important to have social minorities in movies, tv shows and games. Just saying "we're all equal, therefore these people shouldn't appear" is really easy to do when you're part of a social majority (I'm not saying for sure that you are a social majority, but social minorities usually don't say these kinds of things).



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LuccaCardoso1 said:

Hey, I'm going to write an article on LGBT+ characters in video games, and I need some help. Can you help me remember some of them?

1) What do you think are some good and bad examples of LGTB+ representation in video games?

2) How do you feel about the quantity of LGBT+ characters in video games? Do you think there should be more, less or do you think there's enough?

3) Do you think that, in general, LGBT+ characters are well represented in games?

4) Are you LGBT+? (feel free to not answer this question if you don't feel comfortable)

1) I actually think The Witcher has some good to great LGB characters. There's a sidequest with a gay huntsman early in the game for example. Not a big story, but to me it felt pretty well written.  To me it's bad if it feels like 'look, we have LGBT characters', that's not the way it should work.

2) Depends on the games. I don't mind LGBT companions ind RPG's, or gay NPC's and i think i wouldn't mind a LGBT player character if it fits the game.

3) Again, depends on the kind of game. I'm usually not interested at all in the sexual preferences of characters in let's say FPS. RPG's have done a lot since the days of Fallout 2 and other games. Writers and devs should have the ability and freedom to do what fits their games best in my opinion.

4) Nope.



danasider said:
vivster said:

Please don't. The biggest issue with LGBT integration is the constant singling out. Sexuality is not a character trait. Sexuality, especially in video games, has little to no actual meaning to the story. So even mentioning it comes off as attention grabbing rather than being progressive. If you want to have LGBT characters in games, great. Advertising it as if it's a big deal is simply exploitation.

I was always under the impression that the greatest goal for LGBT people is to be accepted as equals in the community. How are we gonna do this if you are constantly singling them out as if they're special? News flash, having a sexual orientation or gender does not make you special. It makes you equal to everyone else. Pointing out certain sexualities is helping no one but desperate attention whores. That includes all people and especially the media. You're doing a disservice to everyone.

Sexuality and gender does not matter and as soon as people get that into their thick skulls we can move on with our lives and actually improve society instead of trying to split it at every opportunity.

I don't agree with the premise that "Sexuality is not a character trait." It doesn't have to be, but it can be a strong part of a fictional character depending on the type of story they're involved in.

Yeah, nobody singles out characters for being straight, but they don't need to. It's evident in the relationships they have throughout their stories. Spiderman has Gwen and Mary Jane, Supes has Lana Lang and Lois Lane, Nathan Drake has Elena and Chloe, Mario has Princess Peach and Pauline (okay, so there's no sex, but he's gotten kissed).

However, when an LGBT character has a storyline that involves their romantic relationships, people get bent out of shape. Look at the claims that Ellie has become part of the SJW agenda simply because we see her making out with another girl. Same thing can be said about Wonder Woman being hinted as being bi-sexual (which would kinda make sense considering she's in an a community populated only by women). The people that sprang to action to say "keep sexuality out of our comics" never made a stink about her Justice League teammates having their own romances...because straight is the norm so it's accepted and doesn't have to be singled out. But let's not pretend it isn't represented in games, comics, TV, etc.

In terms of gaming, more and more action games are taking a cinematic approach. Like Uncharted and TLOU, the stories surrounding the characters are just as important as the gameplay to fans of those games. This has been around for a long time in JRPGs and other more story based games. And we've eaten up the romances involved in those genres. Adding sexuality as part of a character's defining trait, whether it be straight or LGBTQABCWhatever is adding a whole other layer of storytelling that people have been interested in since storytelling has existed in games or any other medium. But somehow when non-hetero representations of that are shown, people want to act like it should not be important and should be hidden.

There's no reason for this aside from people being uncomfortable with the unknown and unfamiliar. Otherwise, we wouldn't have any characters in games that have romantic relationships or show romantic displays of affection.

Sexuality isn't a character trait. People just link arbitrary behaviors to certain genders and sexualities. Who you want to fuck does not define character. As you said, there is no reason to point out what sexuality someone has. If they have relation with a person of the same sex then they're gay, big whoop. Why make a big deal out of it?

No one needs to declare the sexuality of any character because it simply does not matter. If you want to have romance in your story then by all means do it, people will figure out pretty quickly by themselves what sexual orientation someone has. But boldly proclaiming that a character has a certain sexuality even though we know next to nothing about him is just exploitation. It shouldn't matter what sexuality a characters have or how many LGBT characters there are. It's simply irrelevant.

Know the first rule of story telling? Show, don't tell.

LuccaCardoso1 said:
vivster said:

Please don't. The biggest issue with LGBT integration is the constant singling out. Sexuality is not a character trait. Sexuality, especially in video games, has little to no actual meaning to the story. So even mentioning it comes off as attention grabbing rather than being progressive. If you want to have LGBT characters in games, great. Advertising it as if it's a big deal is simply exploitation.

I was always under the impression that the greatest goal for LGBT people is to be accepted as equals in the community. How are we gonna do this if you are constantly singling them out as if they're special? News flash, having a sexual orientation or gender does not make you special. It makes you equal to everyone else. Pointing out certain sexualities is helping no one but desperate attention whores. That includes all people and especially the media. You're doing a disservice to everyone.

Sexuality and gender does not matter and as soon as people get that into their thick skulls we can move on with our lives and actually improve society instead of trying to split it at every opportunity.

I was going to respond to you, but @danasider said it all.

As long as people still think that LGBT+ characters (and people, for that matter) should hide their sexuality but straight characters don't, we will still need to talk about it. Wanting these characters to not show their sexuality means you don't really accept non-straight relationships as normal. When straight relationships are not considered the only acceptable kind of relationship, then we won't need to highlight LGBT+ characters anymore. You're trying to skip a stage and go directly to not highlighting LGBT+ characters, but by doing that you're just leaving people in their comfort zone and ignoring all the LGBT+ people that are out there.

Representation of a group of people in the media is and has always been a key factor in social acceptance. That's why it's so important to have social minorities in movies, tv shows and games. Just saying "we're all equal, therefore these people shouldn't appear" is really easy to do when you're part of a social majority (I'm not saying for sure that you are a social majority, but social minorities usually don't say these kinds of things).

No one said anything about hiding. But here is an idea, if you want to be accepted the same as straight people are, how about not bringing up your gender or sexuality at every possible chance? Straight people don't do it and they are apparently accepted just fine. It's not about hiding, it's about pretending that it's something special or noteworthy, which it isn't.

LGBT people spend their whole life trying to convince other people that they're "normal" too. You know what doesn't help? Singling those people out at every opportunity as if they're special.

And as I said in another thread, there is not and there should not be a "right" amount of representation of certain elements in fiction. And if there is no right amount there can't be over or under representation.



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vivster said:

Please don't. The biggest issue with LGBT integration is the constant singling out. Sexuality is not a character trait. Sexuality, especially in video games, has little to no actual meaning to the story. So even mentioning it comes off as attention grabbing rather than being progressive. If you want to have LGBT characters in games, great. Advertising it as if it's a big deal is simply exploitation.

I was always under the impression that the greatest goal for LGBT people is to be accepted as equals in the community. How are we gonna do this if you are constantly singling them out as if they're special? News flash, having a sexual orientation or gender does not make you special. It makes you equal to everyone else. Pointing out certain sexualities is helping no one but desperate attention whores. That includes all people and especially the media. You're doing a disservice to everyone.

Sexuality and gender does not matter and as soon as people get that into their thick skulls we can move on with our lives and actually improve society instead of trying to split it at every opportunity.

 

"Please don't. The biggest issue with LGBT integration is the constant singling out. Sexuality is not a character trait. Sexuality, especially in video games, has little to no actual meaning to the story. So even mentioning it comes off as attention grabbing rather than being progressive. "

 

why don't you believe in efforts for pushing representation of lgbt people?