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Do you believe in any god?

Yes 63 36.21%
 
No 111 63.79%
 
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I don't believe in God. There really isn't any reason why not. It's more like because they're is no evidence that such a thing exists, I don't just decide to think that it does.



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I was bought up in a religious house, went to CoE church, got confirmed, met the Archbishop but don't ever think I was really religious. I believed in God because that's what they told me.

Not sure if I believe in a God directly or not. I have thoughts that God can't exist due to certain happenings, why they'd allow it. Religion and God's presence hold no weight on my life however, my actions aren't dictated by it, even if influenced. Whether I believe or not doesn't affect my life. Science and all it's teachings, of how the world works and exists gives answers, while religion gives illusionary answers. But science can't explain 'Why' things exist in a certain way (If they universe is expanding, then into what?)

I am not religious and have doubts over God. I am agnostic.



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Baldeagle8 said:
Flilix said:

Rejection of religion was not a cause of these regimes, but rather a consequence. Because they were so totalitarian, there was simply no place for a God anymore. The people were supposed to worship the great leader, and no one else. The dictator basically replaced God. That's why these regimes tend to be so similar to ultra-religious societies: both are based on blindly following an authority, and limiting the freedom of thought of the people (directly or indirectly).

But isn't that what humans tend to do anyways? You see it now in American politics. You have a good amount of people on the right "worship" Trump, and on the left worship government. It seems to be a human trait to worship an ideal, in whatever form that may be. 

Indeed, humans tend to follow authorities quite easily, especially in bad times. That's why the far left and the far right have become so popular in recent years: they're usually a lot more populistic and authoritarian. The same thing happened in Europe in the 1930's (but in a more extreme way, of course).

The best thing we can do is try to think for ourselves, as rationally as possible, and never just blindly believe what others tell us.



Scisca said:
I'm terrified of a world without God. Whenever we reject God as the source of unquestionable and unnegiotable rules and values, terrible things happen. If you look at the most violent regimes ever - Mao's China, USSR, 3rd Reich - rejection of God was the foundation of their ideologies. Think of the French revolution - "enlightment emphasized the importance of rational thinking and began challenging legal and moral foundations of society" (from Wikipedia). Sounds familiar? All it led to was the "Reign of Terror" and massive manslaughter. We're going down the same path in the West now. The more we reject God, the fewer values we have and the murkier everything becomes. What's our highest value at this point? Cause it's not even life with abortion and eutanasia being commonplace.

It's so good to be Catholic and live in a Catholic country.

Filix already responded pretty well to the "authoritarian regimes were atheist" argument, but I want to point two things:

1. Most revolutions lead to a lot of deaths, it's not exclusive to the French Revolution. And the French Revolution also led to a huge wave of scientific advances, that sped up technological and medical research. Let me cite some other events that killed a huge number of people (I'm using the geometric mean estimate) (for reference, the Reign of Terror killed ~26k people): 

- The European colonization of the Americas: 34 million killed. All of the countries that colonized America were strongly Christian.

- The Hundred Years' War: 2.8 million killed. Both England and France were strongly Christian.

- The Crusades: 1.7 million killed. Happened because of Christianity.

And those are just the most famous examples.

2. God, according to the Bible, killed every single human but 8. That'd have been the largest manslaughter ever. And he also created abortion, natural abortion is a thing.



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WolfpackN64 said:
palou said:

Without any further explanation, I do also find the cosmological argument highly dubious. It describes the limits of what a person can intuitively imagine, very much not what modern mathematics or physics are capable of describing (both the conclusion that you can't work with infinities and that you can't have a starting or ending event.) Numerous things that we know with much more certainty to be true work outside of the limits of human imagination, but rather work through the same abstract mathematical and physical rules that would allow those things. Think speed being non-additive, or gravity curving the shortest path between two points. 

Note that they work with the impossibility of an infinite regress, which is probably correct concerning our universe.

"which is probably correct concerning our universe."

 

 

why?



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Baldeagle8 said:
Flilix said:

Rejection of religion was not a cause of these regimes, but rather a consequence. Because they were so totalitarian, there was simply no place for a God anymore. The people were supposed to worship the great leader, and no one else. The dictator basically replaced God. That's why these regimes tend to be so similar to ultra-religious societies: both are based on blindly following an authority, and limiting the freedom of thought of the people (directly or indirectly).

But isn't that what humans tend to do anyways? You see it now in American politics. You have a good amount of people on the right "worship" Trump, and on the left worship government. It seems to be a human trait to worship an ideal, in whatever form that may be. 

This is the greatest thing about the Catholic Church. The division of powers. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's". If we follow men, we are following flawed and imperfect guides. That's why we need God as an unnegotiable source of morality. Otherwise, there are no boundries or limits and things get really bad really fast.

I think that people aren't aware of the real social consequences of rejection of God.

 

@Flilix - you are wrong. These are all Marxist regimes, and as we know, rejection of God is the very foundation of Marxism and Marx's materialism. It's not a by-product. It's the starting point.



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palou said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Note that they work with the impossibility of an infinite regress, which is probably correct concerning our universe.

"which is probably correct concerning our universe."

 

 

why?

Because the Big Bang would have been one massive singularity. It kickstarting the universe would also mean time begins at this point. There is no time before the big bang. Time itself in essence has a start.



I don't believe in a god, but I do like to maintain some sort of Christian values. I just don't want to trap myself by always asking myself what would god think every day I make a decision, and limiting my ability to learn basic things like how fascinating evolution is. I love science.



WolfpackN64 said:

Again, the ontological argument isn't perfect. But what is extremely flawed is the argument of the problem of evil.  Because for no evil to exist, free will would need to be nonexistant. It's a big element of the Christian God that he gave men free will, it's one of THE most important aspects of our religion. For him to deny the possibility of men to do evil would be to deny free will. Basically, God can create a world in which there would be no evil, yet he gave us one where the possibiliyu of evil exists, so we can live in freedom. The problem of evil is such a terrible sham argument it makes my blood boil whenever someone brings it up.

"Free will" doesn't answer the problem of evil. Evil doesn't come only from what humans choose to do. Down syndrome is an evil, I think we can all agree on that, and it has nothing to do with what humans choose to do. It's a genetic error. The same works for any genetic disease.

WolfpackN64 said: 

Intelligent design is a product of the teleological argument, but the teleological argument isn't the same as intelligent design and in many respects, the argument is much more complex.

No, the teleological argument is literally the same as intelligent design. They're synonymous.

WolfpackN64 said: 

The cosmological argument doesn't necessarily use time, but in the variant which uses time, it starts from the assumption that time has a beginning (which is in all likelihood true).

And saying "god did it" doesn't actually answer anything.



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TheBird said:
I don't believe in a god, but I do like to maintain some sort of Christian values. I just don't want to trap myself by always asking myself what would god think every day I make a decision, and limiting my ability to learn basic things like how fascinating evolution is. I love science.

You do know Catholicism for example has accepted evolution for quite a while now. Intelligent Design as Creationism is pretty localized to the US as a religious phenomena.