I think Donald did the right thing. I wish the UK would do the same with Pakistani, Bangladeshi & Somali immigrants, a total ban. It's all one way traffic, Islamic migrants pouring into Western countries, totally at odds with Western Culture and just taking and pushing their own views. There's absolutely no benefit whatsoever to migrants coming in from these countries. By all means, try and make their nations better and I'm all for aid, but stop bringing them here.

You ever see that interview CNN did with someone from I believe Iran after the bombing we did in response to the chemical weapons usage.

CNN veered off topic and tried to get the guys opinion on Trump and his immigrant blockage, talks, ect. The went on to talk about how no one wants to be an immigrant. They don't want to leave their home country. He was praising Trump and hoping what he was doing was going to make changes and let them stay where they grew up in their home country. Something to that extent at least. CNN was not happy you could tell.

Anyways, the point is that I always find it amusing how countries get demonized for not allowing completely open borders, and every immigrant ever to come into their country. It's always, they are fleeing something horrible we need to shelter them, or they looking for a better life, ect. Activists and protesters constantly attacking the country that should be accepting them, yet what is said or done about the country they are fleeing from.

Look at Mexico. Is there ever any talk about improving our neighbor so that their citizens are all trying to come to America. People from South America travel all the way through the entirety of Mexico to reach America. Wouldn't it be great if they could stop in Mexico to start living the dream they dream of. But no, they have just accepted that MExico is a horrible drug cartel infested/ruled country and instead of trying to protest/activist about that they put all the blame on the U.S. for not accepting EVERYONE under the sun.

Same for in Europe. Instead of trying to do something about the countries the migrants are fleeing from, they attack those who say we can't accept everyone. It just feels like we are putting band-aids on problems instead of addressing the actual problems, yet the press and the crowd is only screaming for more band-aids.

Oh and God forbid we go and try and help those countries. Then its the US and its allies invading another country or trying to world police again. Now I'm not going to argue that we do a good job of world policing, cause typically we don't. Seems like our idea of world policing is bomb the shit out of it, and then arm a group of rebels with advanced weaponry to fight back, whom later end up becoming the next terrorist group that terrorizes the region. But hey, it makes our military contracts happy cause we sold a bunch of weapons, right? Fucking idiots. Feels like very bad group in these regions was at some point supported by us.

Let's just say this is true for the sake of argument that Obama and Trump were treated equally poor. My question is, what is the leftist equivalent of a Nazi or fascist?

Communist? No. Many of Karl Marx theories are in practice now in universities. Especially about group identities superseding individual personalities. Heck, Communist isn't even a word to feared anymore like it was in the 50s. It is an "egalitarian" idea that simply failed to be implemented correctly based on outside constraints. There are no racial undertones, and its victims were not specifically targeted for mass murder by race (At least in theory, but obviously not in practice). Communism simply killed millions equally based on equality. 

So, can willful ignorance or blinding naivety ever be painted in the same brush as pre-mediated genocide and self-superiority? What then, is the equivalent evil of a Nazi or a fascist that mainstream republicans media called Obama and his supporters? 

I have no clue what a lefty or righty or any of that stuff means.  What I do know is that labels are used to group people together so that you can then belittle that group from each side.  As I have noticed, each sides looks for something they can make stick and then lead with that.  Conservatives love the socialist name calling.  I also noticed that they also love painting the left as violent etc.  The liberals love painting Trump as a dictator because of his love of them. 

Here is a site that sums up how the conservative media at the time welcome Obama.  You will find out that it was just as virulent as it is for Trump.  The only difference is Trump loves attention so it seems to me he if a week goes by without anyone saying anything about him, he will say something stupid or do something stupid to stay in the news.

I am not arguing against that. Nor am I saying that one side is better than the other with their normal demonizing campaigns. 

There is, however, very good reasons that we do not casually throw out words like Nazi or fascist. It's not some caricature. People were systemically gassed and trampled in tightly packed and dark rooms. They were then cremated and their ashes were used as filler for highways. Those are the lucky one who were not experimented on or forced in labor camps where they would die from starvation and exhaustion. It's not just that these regimes were widely delusional, but they carried it out with such dedication and zeal that it was beyond understandable. People had only one right and that was "don't piss off the state or you are next."  

So yeah, let Trump be called the usual boogeyman insults. I'm fine with that, it's politics. He, however, is being lambasted for isolationism, not world conquest. Hastily reducing government for "fat cats", not creating a full authoritarian state. Walling people out, not in. Attacking Syria for using gas attacks, not gassing his own people. People can say he is hopelessly incompetent and systematically trying to destroy democracy (cognitive dissonance), but for our country's sake, don't let people use Nazi. Don't let them use fascist. 

It's not a game. It's not even politics. It's fundamentally and unequivocally wrong. 

If only Europe had a similar ban, thousands of lives would be saved and rape wouldn’t be at epidemic levels.

Thank you President Trump!

Did you not read the link I gave.  It showed that Obama was called Socialist, fascist, Nazi and a crap load of other stuff from the conservative media.  Your stance appears that this is only applied to Trump as if he is special in some way to negative press or even how he is typed or viewed.  The thing is that he isn't special.  Other presidents during their term was typed just as much depending on how threaten each side felt.  During Obama term, conservatives flipped a switched and called him everything they could.  Their whole agenda was to make sure they demonize him in such a way that he would fail a second term.  When that did not work, they worked hard to make sure that Hillary was next since she was the front runner.

It's how the game is played and if you do not like it then you probably should not get involved.  Politics has always been this way.  A lot of people were saying this before Trump decided he wanted to be President.  Trump never had any political experience and he felt that his little dirty business experience was enough to prepare him for the full onslaught.  The thing is, you seem to act as if Trump is some innocent bystander but he plays just as dirty as any other politician.  You only have to look at any of his attacks whether promoted or just off the cuff.  He has lied and demeaned any and everyone he felt is getting in his way.  Trump has shone he will use what every words, that will make his political base happy.  

I do not see Trump as any different from any other politician, if anything he just seems ill prepared, sloppy and lazy.  He doesn't appear he really want to do the job, he just want everyone else to bow to his whims.  Being president is a tough job, we will see how well he mature during his first term.

There is not a link to click on. 

And at what point have I said Trump is innocent? My only argument is that we don't blanketly refer to politicians as Nazis or fascists. It's not a crazy idea. I'm not blind, and I've said earlier in the forum about the tactics Trump plays. He is fair game and it is up for him to defend himself, such is politics. 

My point stands that calling your opponent a Nazi is not something that is acceptable because no one benefits from it, and its risks alienating people who are not radical. 

Sorry about that I thought I posted the Link with all the conservative talking points since Obama came into Office.   Unfortunately I closed my browser and cannot find the link anymore.  Any searching on Obama on any of those terms you will see a wealth of information on how the conservative press labeled him pretty much all the things you blame Trump is receiving.  

From your original post, you seem to claim that Trump was somehow more targeted then any other president.  My stance is that no, he is not special nor are any of the labels he is being called special to him.  Actually, he is getting the same abuse that Obama received only it seems conservatives have forgotten how they treated Obama now that the shoe is on the other foot.

What I am wondering is did you miss all the hate Obama received or you just did not care.  Now that its Trump you seem to care about the hate.  My point is that I did not see a lot of people protesting the hate Obama was getting because they did not care, now that its the golden boy, somehow its bad or unacceptable.  

To be fair I was probably 13 when Obama was elected. As I mentioned the vague memories I have of Obama being called a Nazi were not taken seriously in any real circles (quick search turned up the drudge report or Sarah Palin). Clinton was usually a more viable target for conservative media in his second term anyways. Either way, it is wrong regardless of the political affiliation. 

I don't have high expectation for political rhetoric. It's just that I'm significantly concerned by the casualness that Nazis and fascists are being referred to. In this forum and in non-fringe media. There will come a time when someone truly terrifying will enter into the political sphere. If we weaken the most powerful words we have to describe evil to such a degree, then we will give usurpers an opportunity that they should never have. 

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On a side note,

Something major has happened across the globe. Western Europe and North America now have many mainstream parties left in the dust over the past two years. (Mexico, Italy, Spain, Brexit, Germany is barely holding its coalition together, USA, France, etc). Something clearly went wrong and few pretend to have the answers as to why. I'm not trying to allude to some right or left wing narrative nor will I speculate on who is gaining more influence. Simply, there are significant and unknown problem that needs to be identified first, much less solved. Immigration is merely one of the many factors, and blaming Nazism isn't going to get us anywhere but further into corners.