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Forums - Sales Discussion - Japan sales (Week 15): Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - April 9 - 15, 2018

Acevil said:

I lately have apathy towards arguing in long drawn out sentences with sources, if they want to bother they can. I also personally do not really care that strongly if you view it either way personally, because it can be whatever you want it to be. If you want to use/view it home console you can, you want to use/view it portable you can. If you want both, well you can. 

In that case then it becomes "agree to disagree" ... 



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fatslob-:O said:
peachbuggy said:

No-one is trying to make predilections for the Switch, we are telling you it like it is but you refuse to understand because it doesn't fit your agenda.

Your whole premise is ridiculous and you are only making the Switch out to be a portable system to suit your argument. If the Wii u had done well in Japan and the 3ds had flopped, no doubt you would be trying to pigeonhole the Switch into being a home console only now, as that would fit your narrative. I'm sure you don't  believe the Switch is a handheld yourself even. You are just using that narrative to give yourself ammo for making its accomplishments/sales look bad in Japan. Many people have put you straight on it, yet you still find any way to insist it's a handheld. Well, Nintendo classify it as a hybrid, NPD class it as a home console. 2 companies that know a hell of a lot more about it than you and also 2 companies with no ulterior motives, using laughable metrics just so as to suit your laughable "Argument". I'll put it into inverted commas due to it not even being an argument. Pretty sure you are just using your self-imposed "Metric" as a means to an end to make it look to others that the Switch is doing worse than it actually is. Due also to your obvious and transparent bias.

 

The Switch is neither a handheld or a home console. It is BOTH!

You mean you guys are spinning it like it is, right ? Cause I ain't the one with the agenda when past evidence backs me up ... (you guys got nothing and that's why rol weaseled out with a strawman excuse as well

@Bold You don't know what Nintendo would've done in that situation so that's just speculation on your part and even supposing if everything else had stayed the same including the Switch's design you didn't see me shy away from the fact that I acknowledged that the WII was still a home system despite the fact that their previous home system was a failure, now did you ? Explain why it would be any different with the Switch ? 

NPD doesn't class it as a home console, it's just a game console but they don't specify whether it's home or portable so their wording is ambiguous and you're also wrong about Nintendo having no ulterior motives since they are NOT an INDEPENDENT SOURCE!!! (cannot use a first party information as a cited source so that the integrity remains of published material) 

The rest of your post including the last line especially shows how out of touch are ... 

We are "Spinning" something like it is actually stated to be by the manufacturer? .......Ooookay..? Past evidence backs up what exactly? So, what evidence do you have that proves anything? I think you have comprehension problems tbh. If Nintendo states the Switch is a hybrid then as far as i'm concerned it is. You are literally arguing against fact. Unless you somehow know something about the Switch Nintendo doesn't? The Wii didn't afford you the possibility to cherrypick arguments like the Switch does but your whole argument is moot, due to the Switch being acknowledged as being a hybrid by just about everyone except you. Ie:- by people/companies/bodies/websites that actually know what they are talking about and without personal criteria or biases.



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peachbuggy said:

We are "Spinning" something like it is actually stated to be by the manufacturer? .......Ooookay..? Past evidence backs up what exactly? So, what evidence do you have that proves anything? I think you have comprehension problems tbh. If Nintendo states the Switch is a hybrid then as far as i'm concerned it is. You are literally arguing against fact. Unless you somehow know something about the Switch Nintendo doesn't? The Wii didn't afford you the possibility to cherrypick arguments like the Switch does but your whole argument is moot, due to the Switch being acknowledged as being a hybrid by just about everyone except you. Ie:- by people/companies/bodies/websites that actually know what they are talking about and without personal criteria or biases.

Again, using a first party source doesn't make you anymore valid ... 



fatslob-:O said:
peachbuggy said:

We are "Spinning" something like it is actually stated to be by the manufacturer? .......Ooookay..? Past evidence backs up what exactly? So, what evidence do you have that proves anything? I think you have comprehension problems tbh. If Nintendo states the Switch is a hybrid then as far as i'm concerned it is. You are literally arguing against fact. Unless you somehow know something about the Switch Nintendo doesn't? The Wii didn't afford you the possibility to cherrypick arguments like the Switch does but your whole argument is moot, due to the Switch being acknowledged as being a hybrid by just about everyone except you. Ie:- by people/companies/bodies/websites that actually know what they are talking about and without personal criteria or biases.

Again, using a first party source doesn't make you anymore valid ... 

So, if Ford built a car, called it a car, marketed it as a car but you called it a horse you would expect us to believe you?



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peachbuggy said:

So, if Ford built a car, called it a car, marketed it as a car but you called it a horse you would expect us to believe you?

Strawman, never claimed that I was the authoritative source ... 



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fatslob-:O said:
peachbuggy said:

So, if Ford built a car, called it a car, marketed it as a car but you called it a horse you would expect us to believe you?

Strawman, never claimed that I was the authoritative source ... 

Well you kinda are, considering you are somehow trying to say that the actual Manufacturers are marketing their product in a way that's misleading. That they have some kind of ulterior motive for some reason. You are claiming it's not the product that they are saying it is. When in all reality, it's you with the ulterior motives and besides not a single person, possibly anywhere even believes you! You're literally making yourself look ridiculous.



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peachbuggy said:

Well you kinda are, considering you are somehow trying to say that the actual Manufacturers are marketing their product in a way that's misleading. That they have some kind of ulterior motive for some reason. You are claiming it's not the product that they are saying it is. When in all reality, it's you with the ulterior motives and besides not a single person, possibly anywhere even believes you! You're literally making yourself look ridiculous.

Nintendo DOES have an ulterior motive, they are the ones who created the Switch after all so they will market the system however they like ... 



fatslob-:O said:
peachbuggy said:

We are "Spinning" something like it is actually stated to be by the manufacturer? .......Ooookay..? Past evidence backs up what exactly? So, what evidence do you have that proves anything? I think you have comprehension problems tbh. If Nintendo states the Switch is a hybrid then as far as i'm concerned it is. You are literally arguing against fact. Unless you somehow know something about the Switch Nintendo doesn't? The Wii didn't afford you the possibility to cherrypick arguments like the Switch does but your whole argument is moot, due to the Switch being acknowledged as being a hybrid by just about everyone except you. Ie:- by people/companies/bodies/websites that actually know what they are talking about and without personal criteria or biases.

Again, using a first party source doesn't make you anymore valid ... 

LOOOLLLLL!!!!!!

You're saying the manufacturer doesn't know what the product they made is? What they say their own creation is isn't valid?

And what you say should be deemed valid over what Nintendo says... because?

But seriously, why the heck are you even arguing over this in the first place? If it's not due to some silly and meaningless agenda of yours, then what?



Hynad said:

LOOOLLLLL!!!!!!

You're saying the manufacturer doesn't know what the product they made is? What they say their own creation is isn't valid?

And what you say should be deemed valid over what Nintendo says... because?

But seriously, why the heck are you even arguing over this in the first place? If it's not due to some silly and meaningless agenda of yours, then what?

Just saying, the validity of claims cited by first party sources comes into question and it's why journalists frown upon using first-party sources ... (it's a conflict of interest type of thing)

@Bold Mostly out of past evidence (internal battery, integrated display, form factor design) but I don't really care if you'll take my word for it or not ... 

I only argued to defend my initial proposition on here ... 



fatslob-:O said:
Hynad said:

LOOOLLLLL!!!!!!

You're saying the manufacturer doesn't know what the product they made is? What they say their own creation is isn't valid?

And what you say should be deemed valid over what Nintendo says... because?

But seriously, why the heck are you even arguing over this in the first place? If it's not due to some silly and meaningless agenda of yours, then what?

Just saying, the validity of claims cited by first party sources comes into question and it's why journalists frown upon using first-party sources ... (it's a conflict of interest type of thing)

@Bold Mostly out of past evidence (internal battery, integrated display, form factor design) but I don't really care if you'll take my word for it or not ... 

I only argued to defend my initial proposition on here ... 

So if a car company releases a hybrid car, but journalist didn't yet write about it to confirm it to be indeed a car, you won't take the words of the car company when they say it's a car?