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Trump 2020

Hell yes! 20 25.32%
 
Lets wait and see! 3 3.80%
 
Fuck no! 50 63.29%
 
Indifferent/comments/Hilary's dusty pussy... 6 7.59%
 
Total:79
Angelv577 said:
Not surprised. Will be surprised if he wins 2020, that is when I will realize there is no hope for humanity.

Then the Democrats need to step up. The supposed reduction of support of the Democratic Party from millenials on the Reuters/Ipsos poll isn't encouraging.



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Maxosaurus-rex said:
Nem said:

You don't say. Though you have to add "Most votes don't win in the USA, because it's not a democracy". 

 

Also, he didn't have the majority of votes, he had the majority of the electoral college. Wich means all votes aren't the same, wich means it's a phony democracy. Good, glad we could come back to my original point.

Most votes do not win anywhere . All votes are the same. Everyone was counted. He got the majority of votes that counted. In fact, more electorates defected from Hilary than him. She was an awful unelectable candidate from the start(and that was 2008.not 2016)

 

Also, majority of voters did vote republican. 

Wrong. Very, very wrong.

Just cause you got a phony democracy don't project it to the ones that don't. Your 200 year old system is way past it's expery date. Not everyone failed to modernize.

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Maxosaurus-rex said:
newwil7l said:

Trump won both states by less than 5%. Keep in mind that these states used to have Republican leads by over 15% and are now very much battleground territories. The bigger Phoenix and Atlanta grow and respectively dominate the states the more blue these states are going to become. It is just the rule of urbanity and left leaning politics. Texas is another state that gets bluer with each election and this is thanks in large part to all the transplants moving to Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin. All blue cities in a red state.

Sure. Don't let me crush your heart 

You can't just disagree when the facts are literally out there for you to see. Don't get your panties in a wad. Anyways the opposite is true for Midwestern states like Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, and Ohio. As more people leave the cities in these states the rural areas in them grow more of a voice. These states are getting more red at the same time that many sunbelt states are turning bluer.



DonFerrari said:
Nem said:

He won cause the election system is not democratic. He didn't get the most votes. I'm not american thankfully, but i don't understand the nerve of saying the US is the biggest democracy in the world when in fact it isn't one. It's cringy.

But, of course, he won by lying and deceiving people, preying on ignorance, wich his party keeps trying to foster by ruining the educational system.

 

That wikileaks and investigation things did quite a number to stain Hillary's reputation aswell, wich lasts until this day, even though investigations proved she did nothing worthy of that reputation.

There are several forms of democracy, but certainly USA doesn't call itself a democracy even when saying they are the biggest one.  They are a federation based on constitutional republic.

And it's funny you complaining about democracy in USA coming from the country of Dictator Franco.

Huh? The infamous american lack of geography knowledge rears it's ugly head again.



John2290 said:
Nem said:

You don't say. Though you have to add "Most votes don't win in the USA, because it's not a democracy". 

 

Also, he didn't have the majority of votes, he had the majority of the electoral college. Wich means all votes aren't the same, wich means it's a phony democracy. Good, glad we could come back to my original point.

If the US is not a democracy, Spain and the EU are dictatorships by comparison. I get it's cool for people in the EU to attack America and say we have it better but that isn't the reality anymore, We might have had 10 years ago but now we are 10 steps behind on every matter of democracy in most EU countries. 

Why do people keep thinking i'm spanish lol? I'm pretty sure that's not what it says on my profile. Spain has an effin king. Yeah, it's a poor democracy.

France, Portugal, etc. have better democracies. The ones that aren't still dragging around an outdated birth chosen monarch. I will criticise them as much as i criticise the flawed democratic system the US has.

The point of democracy is that people elect their ruler. Not that they elect a group that will then elect the leader for them, especially in a country where you can change wich counties correspond to what votes. It's a cavalcade of corruption (not to mention the backdoor dealings with fund raising).

In truth i'm criticizing cause i'd like the US to be the beacon of democracy it touts itself to be, but unfortunely is not, and is likely way too corrupt now to change. 



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Nymeria said:
SpokenTruth said:

2 things will work.

1. Do not put him against another supremely flawed candidate like Clinton. 

2. More voters.  We simply need the numbers in the right places. 

Number 2 requires motivation. People under 40 lean left and don't vote, people over 60 lean right and do vote. We have a whole generation now that if they showed up like their parents/grandparents could shake this country in a way haven't seen since the new deal.  The issue I see among my peers is apathy and disillusionment.  "They're all the same" or "Both sides are corrupt" is the mantra of large swathes of non voters.  You need someone who speaks to them and feel genuine.

The Democrats could win in 2020 simply due to Republican fatigue, but could be right back to present situation in 2024.  I really think there is a chance here to make a mark in ways haven't seen since the 1960s left shift or 1980s right shift in politics.

Are they wrong though?

Just do what they do in Australia force everyone to vote lol.

Then you end up with minor governments that barely hold each other together and the opposition always reject the governments policy proposals.  Then people say these asses aren't doing shit so they vote for the other part next election and they barely win and then they get all their policies rejected.

A never ending circle of swapping and changing and not much getting done because the other party who didn't win feels they have to block almost everything.

State governments are even worst here, one will approve a 2billion budget and get contracts signed a month later the new government will cancel the project and pay out the contracts to honour them lol. And all this because 20 people complain about it lol.



 

 

Aura7541 said:
Angelv577 said:
Not surprised. Will be surprised if he wins 2020, that is when I will realize there is no hope for humanity.

Then the Democrats need to step up. The supposed reduction of support of the Democratic Party from millenials on the Reuters/Ipsos poll isn't encouraging.

The problem is that I doubt the Democrats are going to want to change too drastically in order to gain more support, their main platform right now is that they're not Trump/Republicans.



VGPolyglot said:
Aura7541 said:

Then the Democrats need to step up. The supposed reduction of support of the Democratic Party from millenials on the Reuters/Ipsos poll isn't encouraging.

The problem is that I doubt the Democrats are going to want to change too drastically in order to gain more support, their main platform right now is that they're not Trump/Republicans.

A blue moon has occurred, Polyglot actually speaks some sense.

 

Jk man. Agreed with your assessment. 



 

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John2290 said:
VGPolyglot said:

The problem is that I doubt the Democrats are going to want to change too drastically in order to gain more support, their main platform right now is that they're not Trump/Republicans.

A blue moon has occurred, Polyglot actually speaks some sense.

 

Jk man. Agreed with your assessment. 

I'm not sure why you would ever think that I support the Democrats.



Nem said:
Maxosaurus-rex said:

Most votes do not win anywhere . All votes are the same. Everyone was counted. He got the majority of votes that counted. In fact, more electorates defected from Hilary than him. She was an awful unelectable candidate from the start(and that was 2008.not 2016)

 

Also, majority of voters did vote republican. 

Wrong. Very, very wrong.

Just cause you got a phony democracy don't project it to the ones that don't. Your 200 year old system is way past it's expery date. Not everyone failed to modernize.

Just because the electoral college is not a 100% democratic system doesn't mean that it's a bad system. Sure, I would like to have the system changed a bit such as winner of the state automatically receives 2 electoral votes (senators) with the rest divvied up proportionally (representatives). However, the electoral college was designed to prevent the tyranny of the majority. This is especially true when a large proportion of the population comes from urban areas that tend to vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Voters in rural states such as Montana or the Dakotas have more "impact" in the general election, but it is so that their concerns aren't drowned out from sheer numbers.

And before you retort with "how about the tyranny of the minority!?", it is harder to win the electoral college if you don't get the majority or plurality of the popular vote. Yes, there have been a few presidents who won the electoral college without winning the popular vote, but it is not a common occurrence which would contradict the claim of "tyranny of the minority". And the presidents who won the general election without winning the popular vote did so because they appealed to enough groups of people rather than being over-reliant on one. For instance, Trump won over the working class as well as winning a higher proportion of the black, Hispanic, and Asian vote than Mitt Romney.