VGPolyglot said:
donathos said:
All right, I'll bite.
You think that socialism will remove the need for police and military? How would that work, exactly? Under socialism, people will not commit crimes? Countries will no longer struggle against one another for all of the various reasons countries have, throughout all human history?
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The police and military are tools of class conflict, in order to keep the class differences. Of course there will still be problems in socialism, we're not looking for a perfect society, we're looking for a better society. Also, socialism is an internationalist movement.
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With respect, you're slinging dogma at me -- not discussing anything real. "Tools of class conflict"? "An internationalist movement"? The actual history of such socialist countries which have existed tells me that there will still be class distinctions within them, and divisions between socialist governments. Every socialist government has had a police force, and made terrible use of them besides. There have been wars between socialist governments, and of course there remains the potential for conflict between socialist governments and non-socialist governments. (Because you describe something as "international" does not mean that the world will conform to your theory; it's a good bet that not everyone on the planet will subscribe to your ideology.)
Look at the history of socialist countries and tell me whether or not they are "better societies." I'd say that the evidence points in the other direction: that socialism destroys economy, liberty and life. And, in general, I'd advise that you read the applicable histories, because you currently speak like someone who is steeped in propaganda but without any understanding of how any of this has worked in practice.