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What is "socialism"? - An attempt to clear up myths/misconceptions

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VGPolyglot said:
gigaSheik said:

All I know is that millions of human beings died because of this shitty ideology. Its nothing but a dictatorship manual and everyone that supports it is either and idiot or a potential mass murderer.

Again, if we're going that route we can say that many millions upon millions have died because of capitalism.

Are you the idiot or the mass murderer?



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gigaSheik said:
VGPolyglot said:

Again, if we're going that route we can say that many millions upon millions have died because of capitalism.

Are you the idiot or the mass murderer?

Oh, I'm the mass murderer, I have many bodies hidden in my cold cellar



VGPolyglot said:
gigaSheik said:

Are you the idiot or the mass murderer?

Oh, I'm the mass murderer, I have many bodies hidden in my cold cellar

I don't doubt that's what you want.



gigaSheik said:
VGPolyglot said:

Oh, I'm the mass murderer, I have many bodies hidden in my cold cellar

I don't doubt that's what you want.

Yes, because wanting an economic system where workers aren't robbed of their surplus value makes me a mass murderer.



gigaSheik said:

All I know is that millions of human beings died because of this shitty ideology. Its nothing but a dictatorship manual and everyone that supports it is either and idiot or a potential mass murderer.

I don't know that all modern socialists are either idiots or murderers -- but I think that they are, at least, under informed/ignorant. Or they have convinced themselves that what hasn't worked before will somehow work now. That their version of socialism is somehow different. (I don't describe this as "idiocy," necessarily; many intelligent people can fall into this trap.)

Whatever we call it, it is a shame. The 20th Century was full of blood and death, and the main takeaway lessons are that socialism and fascism are failed ideologies on a massive level. Yet here we are, just a few decades later, and both socialists and fascists want a second try to turn the world into a graveyard.

We need to learn from our mistakes.

VGPolyglot said:

Again, if we're going that route we can say that many millions upon millions have died because of capitalism.

Maybe you don't understand capitalism very well (many people don't), but capitalism has resulted in an unparalleled explosion of wealth, innovation, and standard of living.



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donathos said:
gigaSheik said:

All I know is that millions of human beings died because of this shitty ideology. Its nothing but a dictatorship manual and everyone that supports it is either and idiot or a potential mass murderer.

I don't know that all modern socialists are either idiots or murderers -- but I think that they are, at least, under informed/ignorant. Or they have convinced themselves that what hasn't worked before will somehow work now. That their version of socialism is somehow different. (I don't describe this as "idiocy," necessarily; many intelligent people can fall into this trap.)

Whatever we call it, it is a shame. The 20th Century was full of blood and death, and the main takeaway lessons are that socialism and fascism are failed ideologies on a massive level. Yet here we are, just a few decades later, and both socialists and fascists want a second try to turn the world into a graveyard.

We need to learn from our mistakes.

VGPolyglot said:

Again, if we're going that route we can say that many millions upon millions have died because of capitalism.

Maybe you don't understand capitalism very well (many people don't), but capitalism has resulted in an unparalleled explosion of wealth, innovation, and standard of living.

Yes, that is even acknowledged by Marx and Engels, of course capitalism has advantages over feudalism. However, we're reaching a point of immense human production and automation to the point that capitalism isn't needed anymore.



The economic system you want kills people. That makes you, at the very least, a mass murderer supporter and I trully believe that, if you are given the chance. You will kill too.



gigaSheik said:
The economic system you want kills people. That makes you, at the very least, a mass murderer supporter and I trully believe that, if you are given the chance. You will kill too.

As opposed to the current economic system which requires a police force and military to sustain?



VGPolyglot said:
gigaSheik said:
The economic system you want kills people. That makes you, at the very least, a mass murderer supporter and I trully believe that, if you are given the chance. You will kill too.

As opposed to the current economic system which requires a police force and military to sustain?

How many more kills do you need? Don't you think the pile of corpses is big enough for you to realize that it doesn't work? Or... perhaps... you just want to have some fun.



gigaSheik said:
VGPolyglot said:

As opposed to the current economic system which requires a police force and military to sustain?

How many more kills do you need? Don't you think the pile of corpses is big enough for you to realize that it doesn't work? Or... perhaps... you just want to have some fun.

I'm going to ask you the same thing, how many much police and military intervention for you to realize that it is a violent system that is sustained through force and coercion?