DonFerrari said:
Leadified said:
Capitalists were sure in a hurry to intervene anywhere where there was a hint of communism. Going as far as to ally with the fascists in Spain and Chile, sounds like they would do anything to stop the spread of red. If you do not fear the left then why do you keep trying to undermine it? 
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You mean governments that wanted to keep their power gone and intervened??? That doesn't really make capitalism to be at risk. I do not fear socialism, I do fear their tryouts that end up killing a lot of people in the process.
Leadified said:
1. You need to support your counter argument with evidence not mere principles. This site contains some handy graphs, don't think it has a wealth graph so I have provided one separately.
2. According the 2014 Gini Index, Vietnam and Laos (both self proclaimed socialist states) are more equal than the US which has the same inequality level as China. In fact the worst performing countries are capitalist.
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And since inequality is the biggest issue it certainly is better to live in Vietnam or Cuba than USA, and that is why we see daily migrants going from USA to both countries.
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" That doesn't really make capitalism to be at risk." -> "You mean governments that wanted to keep their power gone and intervened???"
You just proved my point.
Revolution happens when society cannot take it anymore, violence becomes a viable solution. When you try to shove issues like inequality or exploitation under the rug like it's nothing, all it says to me is that capitalism can no longer solve these problems so their supporters choose to ignore them.
Locknuts said:
Leadified said:
There are reasons to be concerned about inequality. IMF makes the case that inequality hurts economic growth and apparently inequality is also correlated with increasing health issues. Poverty could also be linked to inequality but I didn't really find a solid case for it. Typically inequality has been a bipartisan issue with each side arguing that if it's an issue best tackled by state intervention or the market. I find it an interesting development if people stop talking about inequality because to me this seems like society has run out of ideas to solve it.
I'm not sure why Vietnam (or Laos) would be representative of all socialism but alright let's take a look at Vietnam. Article on 'Nam by the World Bank. So what we see here is that poverty has actually decreased dramatically while Vietnam also has one of the highest GDP growths in the world, life expectancy is almost as high as the US. The nation master link you posted is interesting because Zambia is listed at #3 (and a country which suffers from extreme inequality) but Zambia has much worse poverty than Vietnam. (64% in extreme poverty in Zambia vs 3% for Vietnam)
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Nah inequality isn't really a problem, so it doesn't really need to be talked about. All it does is stoke resentment and aid those who promote class warfare. As long as poverty is going down instead of up that's cool.
I'd say Zambia is a mistake on that list, but the rest seems pretty solid.
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I disagree with your premise given the evidence I've provided so I don't think we can go further than this.
