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quickrick said:
CGI-Quality said:

Yet, it continues to shatter even Nintendo's expectations. So, what can we deduce? Either their properties are causing system sale spikes, they have just the right price for such a device, or both. Regardless of the choice, Nintendo looks good out of it.

it's not really selling anywhere near the wii though. you can just look at monthly sales. comparisons are good now because wii launch holiday had no stock to even get a holiday boost.

It's a marathon, not a sprint. And the Switch will sell a lot more in Japan than the Wii, which will be a major advantage for the former. 



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Pillertriller said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

Heh, you sound pretty uncertain there. My confidence however is at the up most! The Wii also had Zelda n 3D Mario among many other games in it's first year, and yet that was not it's peak. There are plenty of big name games still, namely Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Smash, and 2D Mario, aswell as bundles/price-cuts/remodels to be made, so the Switch is pretty much guaranteed to have years bigger than the first.

You cant bring wii here mate, Wii only sold so good because the wiimote stuff. 50% of the owners was people just wanted to try this new motion stuff, most of them wasnt even gamers. Switch doesnt have that hype the wii had.

Core Nintendo IP still sold as well as they do on Wii, so I can, will, and already did! Switch obviously has a lot of hype, maybe not the same kind as Wii which pulled in non-gamers n such, but hype enough to break sales records. But even if you pretend the Wii doesn't count, the fact remains that Nintendo has plenty more Switch sales increasing cards still to play.



quickrick said:
StarDoor said:

Wow, so you legitimately did not comprehend what Rol said at all.

He did not say anything about consoles that started off with low momentum, like PS1 and DS. Consoles can start off slowly and then accelerate and sell well anyways, despite a poor start.

He did say that consoles do not start off with high momentum and then fizzle out with low lifetime sales.

Do you understand? PS1 and DS are irrelevant to this conversation, because Switch started off with strong sales, while those consoles started off with poor sales. N64 and 3DS are illogical comparisons, because they needed early price cuts to keep selling. They had strong first years by sacrificing their later years, because that's what price cuts do: They push a console's sales curve forward.

not really 3ds could have it 170$ which was near ds price, and sold like the ds, that could have been the magic price, it's what ds launched, and kept on selling .

DS did not launch at $170, it was $149 then dropped to $129 once the DS lite came (which was the volume seller 93m units just for that model). 



quickrick said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

How is this realistic when history shows consoles USUALLY do not peak in the first year? What is your proclamation based on other than speculation? 

the main reason most consoles don't peak in there first year, is supply issues, rushed holiday launch with not enough stock, but consoles not very successful  could easily peak in there first year.

Switch had supply issues for 6 months in NA, and even longer in Japan. So....



RolStoppable said:
quickrick said:

lol Talking about twisting logic to fit your perspective. just because  you have a couple of cases of consoles starting great doesn't mean it will always be like that. wii could have died much earlier, just look at japan is started out like a monster, only sold 12 million ltd. same for N64 in America.

A year ago I wrote a thread about Switch lifetime sales because the vast majority of the VGC community had laughably low predictions.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=224719

I am sure that the likes of you did perceive my thread as twisting logic to fit my perspective, but when the thread is read one year after its creation, most people will nod with their head because all of the points I brought up are so plain obvious in hindsight.

The thread I linked to will remain active throughout the Switch's lifetime, so if you are convinced that Switch will falter, my thread is a golden opportunity for you to become a vGC hero if you turn out to be right. Of course, if you are wrong, it won't be pretty for you.

Pillertriller said:

You Nintendo guys overstimate the switch first year, it had three of nintendos biggest franchises and a new  franchise, and a mk rehash, and the system wasnt be able to reach ps4 numbers, and dont come with stock issues excuse lol. The PS4 had nothing special in its first year and still sold 10 million units faster than the switch. Sorry to say that but switch probably wont have another year with such big and succesessful titles like in its first year. So its pretty realistic that the switch maybe already had one of its biggest / best years. 

Switch beats the PS4 in a launch-aligned comparison through year 1. The PS4 reached 10m faster than Switch by about one week, but Switch will easily beat the PS4 to 12m.

In the thread I linked to above, I mention that even on the Wii U and 3DS Nintendo managed to have ten unique IPs sell 4m+ copies with individual installments despite the Wii U's low installed base. Only four of those ten IPs have released on Switch so far and of course nothing rules out second or even third appearances for those IPs, considering how many Pokémon games were released on the 3DS. Nintendo isn't running out of system sellers anytime soon.

What some people still don't quite understand is that Switch will be Nintendo's only console going forward, so Nintendo's first party support won't go back and forth between two consoles. This will have a notably positive effect on hardware sales momentum because software droughts are unlikely to occur under such circumstances. It also means that a possible absence of third party support wouldn't and couldn't have much of a negative impact because Nintendo turned themselves into a self-sustaining juggernaut.

i already said what needs to be said. time will tell who's right. i'm just confused if nintendo is such a juggernaut with there system sellers why do most of there home consoles only fail N64,GC, and wiiu. i mean sure they made games for there handheld's as well but the experience was vastly superior on there home consoles, and i'm not talking bout 100 million, but at least 50 million each. 



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quickrick said:
RolStoppable said:

A year ago I wrote a thread about Switch lifetime sales because the vast majority of the VGC community had laughably low predictions.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=224719

I am sure that the likes of you did perceive my thread as twisting logic to fit my perspective, but when the thread is read one year after its creation, most people will nod with their head because all of the points I brought up are so plain obvious in hindsight.

The thread I linked to will remain active throughout the Switch's lifetime, so if you are convinced that Switch will falter, my thread is a golden opportunity for you to become a vGC hero if you turn out to be right. Of course, if you are wrong, it won't be pretty for you.

Switch beats the PS4 in a launch-aligned comparison through year 1. The PS4 reached 10m faster than Switch by about one week, but Switch will easily beat the PS4 to 12m.

In the thread I linked to above, I mention that even on the Wii U and 3DS Nintendo managed to have ten unique IPs sell 4m+ copies with individual installments despite the Wii U's low installed base. Only four of those ten IPs have released on Switch so far and of course nothing rules out second or even third appearances for those IPs, considering how many Pokémon games were released on the 3DS. Nintendo isn't running out of system sellers anytime soon.

What some people still don't quite understand is that Switch will be Nintendo's only console going forward, so Nintendo's first party support won't go back and forth between two consoles. This will have a notably positive effect on hardware sales momentum because software droughts are unlikely to occur under such circumstances. It also means that a possible absence of third party support wouldn't and couldn't have much of a negative impact because Nintendo turned themselves into a self-sustaining juggernaut.

and i'm not talking bout 100 million, but at least 50 million each. 

Hmmmmmmm, ever heard of NES, SNES, and Wii??



PortisheadBiscuit said:
quickrick said:

and i'm not talking bout 100 million, but at least 50 million each. 

Hmmmmmmm, ever heard of NES, SNES, and Wii??

nes and super nes had the best third party support in the industry at the time. it was a entirely different era where nintendo was the king of home consoles. wii sold mainly because of motion.



CGI-Quality said:
quickrick said:

i already said what needs to be said. time will tell who's right. i'm just confused if nintendo is such a juggernaut with there system sellers why do most of there home consoles only fail N64,GC, and wiiu. i mean sure they made games for there handheld's as well but the experience was vastly superior on there home consoles, and i'm not talking bout 100 million, but at least 50 million each. 

N64/GameCube/Wii U vs NES/SNES/Switch. If 3/6 home consoles have "failed", how is that most?

Also, while we're at it, why not include massive successes like the GBA/DS? Or, by comparison, modest successes like the 3DS? What helped the former two sell by the truckload? Nintendo's properties had no hand in it? All questions that I expect answers to.

I already said DS/GBA were a different era, where mobile tech like decent gaming, and internet didn't really exist, they were the only good form of good entrainment on the go, why do you think we went from 230-240 million psp/ds to 84 million psp/3ds it was mobile gaming/ entertainment making it's mark.



RolStoppable said:
quickrick said:

lol Talking about twisting logic to fit your perspective. just because  you have a couple of cases of consoles starting great doesn't mean it will always be like that. wii could have died much earlier, just look at japan is started out like a monster, only sold 12 million ltd. same for N64 in America.

A year ago I wrote a thread about Switch lifetime sales because the vast majority of the VGC community had laughably low predictions.
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=224719

I am sure that the likes of you did perceive my thread as twisting logic to fit my perspective, but when the thread is read one year after its creation, most people will nod with their head because all of the points I brought up are so plain obvious in hindsight.

The thread I linked to will remain active throughout the Switch's lifetime, so if you are convinced that Switch will falter, my thread is a golden opportunity for you to become a vGC hero if you turn out to be right. Of course, if you are wrong, it won't be pretty for you.

Pillertriller said:

You Nintendo guys overstimate the switch first year, it had three of nintendos biggest franchises and a new  franchise, and a mk rehash, and the system wasnt be able to reach ps4 numbers, and dont come with stock issues excuse lol. The PS4 had nothing special in its first year and still sold 10 million units faster than the switch. Sorry to say that but switch probably wont have another year with such big and succesessful titles like in its first year. So its pretty realistic that the switch maybe already had one of its biggest / best years. 

Switch beats the PS4 in a launch-aligned comparison through year 1. The PS4 reached 10m faster than Switch by about one week, but Switch will easily beat the PS4 to 12m.

In the thread I linked to above, I mention that even on the Wii U and 3DS Nintendo managed to have ten unique IPs sell 4m+ copies with individual installments despite the Wii U's low installed base. Only four of those ten IPs have released on Switch so far and of course nothing rules out second or even third appearances for those IPs, considering how many Pokémon games were released on the 3DS. Nintendo isn't running out of system sellers anytime soon.

What some people still don't quite understand is that Switch will be Nintendo's only console going forward, so Nintendo's first party support won't go back and forth between two consoles. This will have a notably positive effect on hardware sales momentum because software droughts are unlikely to occur under such circumstances. It also means that a possible absence of third party support wouldn't and couldn't have much of a negative impact because Nintendo turned themselves into a self-sustaining juggernaut.

Sorry with titles like Mario, Zelda, Splatoon, Xenogears, MK, Mario & Rabbits the Switch have in its first year, and still cant sell  ( much ) faster than the PS4 without any great games in its first year, and this after the weak ps3 generation... Its a fail in my eyes, definitfely no so super duper omega what ever success, i just can repeat my self, the switch probably wont have another year with such many big titles like last year, and still it was no match to the PS4, even with the super Switch Nintendo fans are hyping up at the sky, ps4 sales didnt decreased. It even had its peak year yet, it completly ignored the switch at all.



CGI-Quality said:
quickrick said:

I already said DS/GBA were a different era, where mobile tech like decent gaming, and internet didn't really exist, they were the only good form of good entrainment on the go, why do you think we went from 230-240 million psp/ds to 84 million psp/3ds it was mobile gaming/ entertainment making it's mark.

They weren't a "different era". The DS was born, literally, as the Internet "boom" got going. And it is the second best selling gaming device.....period. The 3DS faces more hurdles, yes, and yet, it still sells well. The hybrid Switch, which takes elements from the Wii U, DS/3DS, is breaking records. And the best you've got is, "yeah, but no one's buying Nintendo's platforms for Nintendo's games".

In a nutshell, no BS side-step, why is the Switch selling like it is? 

what are you talking about here? When DS was released nobody was gaming on There phones or watching youtube videos, not to mention surfing the web on the phone even in 2007-2008 was expensive, so i have no idea what you're talking about there.

As for why the switch is selling the way it is. 3ds had a good first year, n64 had good first year. so i expect switch to have a good first year too, with so many killers apps, and attracting both there user bases, but i expect it won't last just like those 2 other consoles. it will probably do 60-70 million ltd,.