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A democrat has finally won in Alabama!

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betacon said:
VGPolyglot said:

I didn't instantly assume you were sexist, which is why I asked if you support capital punishment.

You did though you jumped to conclusion from your own inner connections hence instantly assuming, also please explain why it's sexism you do understand the majority of women are anti abortion right? It's no male vs female.  

 

palou said:
VGPolyglot said:

I didn't instantly assume you were sexist, which is why I asked if you support capital punishment.

Poly... Please just drop it. The argument is dubious at best, and the conclusion fully unhelpful to advance the discussion.

 

While I don't believe in punitive justice, you *know* that there are people that do, so why continue to pretend that that's not a possibility?

OK, I guess I'll just end my time in this thread.



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betacon said:
VGPolyglot said:

Do you support the death penalty?

Yes but that has very little to do with abortion now does it? and even less when you try and compare not supporting abortion with racism.

Do you think a pregnancy that was the result of rape or incest, or one where the mother's life is in danger should have the _option_ to be terminated?



betacon said:
palou said:

If you are talking about the US, that's inaccurate. 

 

Most US adults support abortion, for both genders, by a larger margin among women.

 

Here's one fairly reputable source, but you are free to confirm that with any other source you want.

 

http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

Regardless if it's different in America, the number which support or against are roughly the same cross both men and female, so again why would it be sexist mentality?? 

I never claimed that it was sexist (you can read my other replies), just that your info was inaccurate. Statistically, a deviation of 18.5% in the ratios between men and women (1.55 vs 1.30) is not insignificant. Also, some women being in support of abortion does not exclude it from being sexist. Women's suffrage did not see wide support from either sex before the 20th Century, in the US.



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ratchet426 said:
betacon said:

Yes but that has very little to do with abortion now does it? and even less when you try and compare not supporting abortion with racism.

Do you think a pregnancy that was the result of rape or incest, or one where the mother's life is in danger should have the _option_ to be terminated?

Strawman argument don't you think, there's always exception but youre talking about such a small numbers it's not even worth discussing. Yes rape or if the mothers health is at risk it should be allowed but lets not pretend that's why the majority of abortions are used.

 



palou said:
betacon said:

Regardless if it's different in America, the number which support or against are roughly the same cross both men and female, so again why would it be sexist mentality?? 

I never claimed that it was sexist (you can read my other replies), just that your info was inaccurate. Statistically, a deviation of 18.5% in the ratios between men and women (1.55 vs 1.30) is not insignificant. Also, some women being in support of abortion does not exclude it from being sexist. Women's suffrage did not see wide support from either sex before the 20th Century, in the US.

I never claimed you thought it was. It is insignificant by the article you linked it's a 4% difference between the genders, not sure how you would ever claim that was a wide margin.  It most certainly does excluded it from being sexist, unless you want to argue that women are too dumb/weak to decide for them self and are controlled by the male vote.



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betacon said:
palou said:

I never claimed that it was sexist (you can read my other replies), just that your info was inaccurate. Statistically, a deviation of 18.5% in the ratios between men and women (1.55 vs 1.30) is not insignificant. Also, some women being in support of abortion does not exclude it from being sexist. Women's suffrage did not see wide support from either sex before the 20th Century, in the US.

I never claimed you thought it was. It is insignificant by the article you linked it's a 4% difference between the genders, not sure how you would ever claim that was a wide margin.  It most certainly does excluded it from being sexist, unless you want to argue that women are too dumb/weak to decide for them self and are controlled by the male vote.

4% out of hundred in pure difference is a misleading number, a better representation, here, to determine the impact of sex, is a percentile of the mean (correct calculation: 100*(42-38)/((38+42)/2) = 10%)

I do think that people, in general, largely create their opinions by osmosis from society, and not through their own logical reasoning (in the case that there is no obvious answer.) That's why we also have 78% of Swedes supporting abortion in all cases and 65% of Brazilians with the belief should be illegal (with the reasonable exceptions.) Not because either the Swedes or Brazilians are retarded, not because they are looking at a fundamentally different moral question, not because logic works differently in some parts of the world. But rather, because they grew up in an environment that encouraged their respective beliefs. At heart, no one truly has a fully independent opinion on anything.



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betacon said:
ratchet426 said:

Do you think a pregnancy that was the result of rape or incest, or one where the mother's life is in danger should have the _option_ to be terminated?

Strawman argument don't you think, there's always exception but youre talking about such a small numbers it's not even worth discussing. Yes rape or if the mothers health is at risk it should be allowed but lets not pretend that's why the majority of abortions are used.

 

Not a strawman argument at all. Pregnancies as the result of rape and incest happen.  If you're going to take the moral high ground that abortion is murder, then it's _always_ murder. You don't get to pick and choose which specific "exceptions" make it not murder, or dismiss the entire topic as "not worth discussing".  I'm sorry that your rigid moral stance on abortion gets uncomfortable when put in the context of a 12 year old who is gang raped and gets pregnant and is forced, by law, to see that pregnancy to term. I'm sure all the self-righteous pro-lifers will line up to adopt all the rape babies so it's no big deal, right?



ratchet426 said:
betacon said:

Strawman argument don't you think, there's always exception but youre talking about such a small numbers it's not even worth discussing. Yes rape or if the mothers health is at risk it should be allowed but lets not pretend that's why the majority of abortions are used.

 

Not a strawman argument at all. Pregnancies as the result of rape and incest happen.  If you're going to take the moral high ground that abortion is murder, then it's _always_ murder. You don't get to pick and choose which specific "exceptions" make it not murder, or dismiss the entire topic as "not worth discussing".  I'm sorry that your rigid moral stance on abortion gets uncomfortable when put in the context of a 12 year old who is gang raped and gets pregnant and is forced, by law, to see that pregnancy to term. I'm sure all the self-righteous pro-lifers will line up to adopt all the rape babies so it's no big deal, right?

I do get to pick and choose, cause you know a little secret its my fucking opinion you don't get to dictate how come to my own beliefs. Also rigid? The whole point of your rant stems from my opinion not being rigid you silly baby killing enthusiast.

 

I Would explain how I come to that conclusion if you were actually willing to lesson but it's clear youre not.

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specialk said:
Ivant said:
I've been following it here in England too, glad to see a Democrat win, as best of a bad bunch.

But seriously, your country had become a bit of a laughing stock over here

Trump is seen as an absolute buffoon, he keeps rearranging his state visit because he's scared of mass protests when he visits.

Remember when y'all voted to leave the European Union without knowing what that actually meant?

But yeah, Trump embarrasses us too. He was elected without even getting a plurality of votes and he approaching historic unpopularity. 

We're working on it. We appreciate the patience of the rest of the world. 

 

Not me my friend, 

 

Also a decision that's looking more and more likely to get reversed. 

 

This is what happens when a rabid right wing press is able to suppress facts and frame opinion as being as important as the truth. 

 

Too many people these days cry that their opinions are as good as other peoples facts. They aren't. Our right wing gutter press has successfully brainwashed two entire generations, luckily we are slipping away from the grasp of that slimy cretin Murdoch.

 

He doesn't like it one bit mind, his papers have been running articles about how "social networks are tearing apart society" 



betacon said:

I do get to pick and choose, cause you know a little secret its my fucking opinion you don't get to dictate how come to my own beliefs.

Exactly. 

So, you're pro-choice then?