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Israel-Palestine: Which "solution" do you prefer?

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CrazyGamer2017 said:

When I see all the anti-semitic comments I'm twice happier to see Israel succeed, at least there is some kind of justice there. I admire their tenacity, resisting the very hostile Arabs that completely surround them. They could EASILY get rid of all palestinians and end the problem once and for all but unlike mulsim countries, democracy means something in Israel, so much so that, believe it or not, some Arabs are in the Israeli government, a big mistake in my opinion but nonetheless a fact which I'm sure you are going to deny so yeah, whatever.

I can't believe some how some arse in in this thread aren't banned, seems the mods in this community are quite fine with calling jews non human



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I think a lot of things said in this thread represent why the peace process has stalled. People think too much in extremes. Whatever happened in the past is irrelevant, both sides did bad things. We now have 2 peoples, the only common sense solution is for each of them to have a state, and for both of them to maintain joint control over the holiest city in the area to make sure everybody is happy. Before the rise of the 2 nationalist identities and the modern conflict, nobody had a problem with Muslims praying at Al-Aqsa and Jews praying at the Western Wall right across.

Another point that I'd like to make is how Palestinian Christians aren't mentioned a lot in these arguments. As much as some people want to lump the Palestinian cause in general with millitant groups, the legitimate Palestinian government is officially secular, not Islamist, and actually even has special laws in place so that a historically Christian city like Bethlehem will always have a Christian Mayor.



bigjon said:
FallingTitan said:

Since when was trump the king of the world? just cuz he says something ppl go nuts? cringe.

You do realize that the US Congress passed a bill in the 90s that declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel?? President since have been using a loophole in the law to "delay" the official move. Trump simply said "I will stop signing the waiver". That is all. 

I did not know that! US congress in the 90's was the king of the world and declared it. Didnt know.

 

Hope the us congress or trump doesn't declare Toyoko the capital of canada. I dunno what we would do here in toronto. probably go to timmys and maybe talk about it for 1 min?



FallingTitan said:
bigjon said:

You do realize that the US Congress passed a bill in the 90s that declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel?? President since have been using a loophole in the law to "delay" the official move. Trump simply said "I will stop signing the waiver". That is all. 

I did not know that! US congress in the 90's was the king of the world and declared it. Didnt know.

 

Hope the us congress or trump doesn't declare Toyoko the capital of canada. I dunno what we would do here in toronto. probably go to timmys and maybe talk about it for 1 min?

Well, it is not entirely comparable, because Jerusalem is actually the de facto capital of Israel, while Tokyo is not the de facto capital of Canada. And Toronto isn't the capital either, it's Ottawa



CrazyGamer2017 said:

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. If you are going to rewrite history, ignore it or anything like that I'm not sure how we can even argue the issue. Believe whatever you want, that the Jews were invented this morning that they are plotting to destroy the world and so on...

You have your opinion and I have mine and I'm really glad that Israel defends themselves against those terrorists whose ultimate goal is to destroy the country like they tried in 1967 but of course that does not bother your anti-semitic mind. Or perhaps you are going to say that the Arabs never attacked in 1967 to destroy the Jews or maybe since the UN is your reference maybe you will say that the UN was ok with the Arabs attacking Israel and Israel illegally defended themselves, they should have let the Arabs slaughter them to please those who (yeah I'm gonna say it) wish Hitler had done the job and since he did not, they wish the Arabs did it.

In the end all that matters is the facts and the most recent fact is that the US acknowledged Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and I'm very happy about that because I would hate for a foreign country especially an ally country like the US to tell me that the capital of my country is not the capital.

Until 1947 that land that is today Israel and Palestine was nothing but a barren desert where there was nothing and the Jews changed that into a productive land, a prosperous economy and a democracy whereas the palestinians did nothing of that land, so the place is better off in the hands of Israel.

When I see all the anti-semitic comments I'm twice happier to see Israel succeed, at least there is some kind of justice there. I admire their tenacity, resisting the very hostile Arabs that completely surround them. They could EASILY get rid of all palestinians and end the problem once and for all but unlike mulsim countries, democracy means something in Israel, so much so that, believe it or not, some Arabs are in the Israeli government, a big mistake in my opinion but nonetheless a fact which I'm sure you are going to deny so yeah, whatever. Let me know when Jews are allowed in the Iranian or Saudi governments...

Iran does have one Jewish MP. However that's because the government has guaranteed a spot for a Christian, Jew and Zoroastrian.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-iranian-mp-lauds-countrys-religious-freedom/



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CrazyGamer2017 said:

**snips out the rant**

Until 1947 that land that is today Israel and Palestine was nothing but a barren desert where there was nothing and the Jews changed that into a productive land, a prosperous economy and a democracy whereas the palestinians did nothing of that land, so the place is better off in the hands of Israel.

When I see all the anti-semitic comments I'm twice happier to see Israel succeed, at least there is some kind of justice there. I admire their tenacity, resisting the very hostile Arabs that completely surround them. They could EASILY get rid of all palestinians and end the problem once and for all but unlike mulsim countries, democracy means something in Israel, so much so that, believe it or not, some Arabs are in the Israeli government, a big mistake in my opinion but nonetheless a fact which I'm sure you are going to deny so yeah, whatever. Let me know when Jews are allowed in the Iranian or Saudi governments...

 

Yeah look at this barren desert, where the Palestinians did nothing. Gaza before and after Israel bombs.

 

Lets get some facts right. The only thing stopping Israel from "EASILY get rid of all Palestinians" (genocide) is the international condemnation that they're receiving. From violations including international humanitarian law, the illegal annexation of the West Bank, and bombings of UN schools, UN Hospitals, Shelters, and Factories etc. Pretty sure there are better ways to deal with this instead of blowing shit up.

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We should just make Jerusalem a UN-controlled city, and if either party refuses we'll send some MOABs their way so that they might...reconsider.



deskpro2k3 said:

CrazyGamer2017 said:

**snips out the rant**

Until 1947 that land that is today Israel and Palestine was nothing but a barren desert where there was nothing and the Jews changed that into a productive land, a prosperous economy and a democracy whereas the palestinians did nothing of that land, so the place is better off in the hands of Israel.

When I see all the anti-semitic comments I'm twice happier to see Israel succeed, at least there is some kind of justice there. I admire their tenacity, resisting the very hostile Arabs that completely surround them. They could EASILY get rid of all palestinians and end the problem once and for all but unlike mulsim countries, democracy means something in Israel, so much so that, believe it or not, some Arabs are in the Israeli government, a big mistake in my opinion but nonetheless a fact which I'm sure you are going to deny so yeah, whatever. Let me know when Jews are allowed in the Iranian or Saudi governments...

 

Yeah look at this barren desert, where the Palestinians did nothing. Gaza before and after Israel bombs.

 

Lets get some facts right. The only thing stopping Israel from "EASILY get rid of all Palestinians" (genocide) is the international condemnation that they're receiving. From violations including international humanitarian law, the illegal annexation of the West Bank, and bombings of UN schools, UN Hospitals, Shelters, and Factories etc. Pretty sure there are better ways to deal with this instead of blowing shit up.

I think your case fails to draw emotional appeal because we all know that if Palestine had Israel's military, they would've turned Israel into nothing but rubble decades ago.



Hamas' use of human shields, storage of weapons in schools, and firing of rockets from civilian areas is well-documented despite the threats to journalists who refuse to toe the Hamas line in Gaza. The UN has condemned the use of its schools as weapons storage facilities, and after the war Hamas even admitted to using human shields. Hamas has a deliberate strategy of trying to maximize casualties on their own side - and inflating the number of civilian casualties, in order to garner international sympathy. An organization that favors the use of suicide bombers is quite happy to sacrifice its own people just to score a propaganda victory.

https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/hamas-quietly-admits-it-fired-rockets-from-civilian-areas/380149/

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/trapped-in-gaza-how-hamas-punishes-reporters-for-the-truth/news-story/410ed7246752eb3fbe251557c43647d4

Israel in fact went to extraordinary lengths to prevent civilian casualties in Gaza, lengths that a delegation of military leaders from various western countries said no other army has ever gone to to prevent harm to the civilian population on the other side of a military conflict. A number of experts on international law said that Israel set a "dangerous precedent" which other nations fighting terror groups like Isis and al Qaeda can't be expected to live up to.


Wolff Heintschel von Heinegg, a distinguished expert on military law at European University Viadrina in Frankfurt, said the IDF takes “many more precautions than are required…[it] is setting an unreasonable precedent for other democratic countries of the world who may also be fighting in asymmetric wars against brutal non-state actors who abuse these laws.”

Michael Schmitt, director of the Stockton Center for the Study for International Law at the US Naval War College, said: "The IDF’s warnings certainly go beyond what the law requires, but they also sometimes go beyond what would be operational good sense elsewhere,” he warned. “People are going to start thinking that the United States and other Western democracies should follow the same examples in different types of conflict. That’s a real risk,”



http://blog.unwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/HLIMG-report-cover-letter-to-Judge-Mary-McGowan-Davis-UNHRC-31-May-2015.pdf

https://unitedwithisrael.org/israels-military-accused-of-being-too-careful-to-avoid-civilian-casualties-in-gaza-war/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/attorneys-at-war/article/964911



deskpro2k3 said:

Lets get some facts right. The only thing stopping Israel from "EASILY get rid of all Palestinians" (genocide) is the international condemnation that they're receiving. From violations including international humanitarian law, the illegal annexation of the West Bank, and bombings of UN schools, UN Hospitals, Shelters, and Factories etc. Pretty sure there are better ways to deal with this instead of blowing shit up.

What a nice color picture. Next time you want to put a fake picture of a PRE 1947 palestinian city, at least try some black and white fakes, you know to try a little harder to convince us. Not that it would change anything about those terrorists, but you know, to give us a little bit of a challenge in the argument.

What's next? A beautiful color picture of Jews invading palestinians with Jesus in the background proving that Jews invaded palestinians 2000 years ago?

Last edited by CrazyGamer2017 - on 13 December 2017

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I'm sleepy, time for a nappy!