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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
TH3-D0S3R said:
SpokenTruth said:

I called him out for his mentally stunted word salad and the incessant rallies.  Not because a single rally was held to support a mid term election candidate.  He's had nearly 30 rallies since the election with most of them about himself.  But go ahead tell me that's normal for a president just 1.5 years into being elected.

Most of these rallies are to stay close to his base and not alienate himself in Washington, which is a smart move. FDR addressed the media through fireside chats over the radio, and while I dislike FDR, this was great and genius. Many people thought the same way you did about Trump in that he was wasting time and could be doing much more, when in reality it made him more relatable to the general public and showed he makes efforts to connect to the public. I honestly think presidents should do this in the future to show they are still tide and true to the people that got them there.

And as such, since he's around everyday joes, he uses exaggerated terminology. If you have ever used exaggerated terminology (which all of us have), I fail to see how one can pass judgement on it when they have performed the exact same actions they criticize. He's talking to the everyday folk, not the UN council. 

I do not know, that's a stretch to say that Trump speech and tweets is exaggerated for the everyday joe.  That would mean that the everyday Joe cannot read or understand above a 3rd grade level.  If that is the everyday Joe in America, then the country definitely has a huge problem on its hand.  So the polls and stats that showed that Trump appealed to more uneducated people in America is spot on.  Also, would this not be considered condescending.  If you did think of yourself as the everyday Joe, would you really need someone to talk down to you like you barely passed 3rd grade.  I would believe that anyone who was spoken to this way would believe the person speaking to them thought of them as idiots.



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massimus said:
Machiavellian said:

Here is your bone, the American Recovery and Reinvestment act.  Not sure what thought process you are talking about.  You said getting rid of regulations was a good thing but then buckle when trying to support your stance.  I guess if you cannot support your opinion then it best to just ignore it.  I get it, its an old tactic.  Now I have answered your question lets continue.  When you are ready to provide your opinion on this post, lets see how much actual research you do within your answer or will you just throw another excuse on the pile and deflect.

Haha thats rich. Your projection is on another level dude! It’s almost impressive how unaware you are. When have I not supported my stance? I didn’t reply to your “boohoo California” and personal insult bullshit? I don’t give a crap about California. California’s problems are California’s fault. I said the degregulation was good for the economy and told you how. Showed you how it was effective immediately. It took you 25 posts to answer the question and even then it’s just a name. No thought, no consequence, you probably just pulled it from some cnn article after a quick google. I would be happy to shit on that for you later. “Another excuse and deflection” lmao. I wouldn’t steal your thunder bro.

If I am the king of deflection then you must be the king of dismissal.  Your stance on California is "oh its California, I do not care, its their fault" while the entire picture is that the EPA delayed a policy until 2022 because it was good for business.  You have years or evidence, you have the EPA own scientist showing that this chemical within the pesticide is harmful to humans.  You have the same chemical banned for home use and you have evidence that shows the levels are way to high within our current food and water supply, But since the article I posted had Cali in it, you found your excuse to dismiss it out of hand.  Well here are some more just to give you more excuses to dismiss these as well.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/05/30/trump-epa-attacks-workers-and-environment-trio-lawsuits-takes-aim-outrageous-pro

http://civileats.com/2015/09/16/5-reasons-to-care-whether-the-epa-bans-chlorpyrifos-on-your-food/

As you stated, you said deregulations is good for the economy then choose to champion regulations you probably never took more than a nano second to even know whether or not it was a regulation that should be rescinded.  It's as if you just accept that if Trump has it on his radar then it must be something that needs to go.

The thing is, I probably would agree with you that going through and getting rid of a lot of crap regulations is a good thing.  The difference is that I actually took the time researching each one before making a decision if I thought it was a good ideal first before just believing in someone to tell me what is a good ideal.  Lets just see how things shake down now that Trump had to basically fire Scott Pruitt so that he can distance himself from the fallout of another one of his administration pics.



Machiavellian said:
TH3-D0S3R said:

Most of these rallies are to stay close to his base and not alienate himself in Washington, which is a smart move. FDR addressed the media through fireside chats over the radio, and while I dislike FDR, this was great and genius. Many people thought the same way you did about Trump in that he was wasting time and could be doing much more, when in reality it made him more relatable to the general public and showed he makes efforts to connect to the public. I honestly think presidents should do this in the future to show they are still tide and true to the people that got them there.

And as such, since he's around everyday joes, he uses exaggerated terminology. If you have ever used exaggerated terminology (which all of us have), I fail to see how one can pass judgement on it when they have performed the exact same actions they criticize. He's talking to the everyday folk, not the UN council. 

I do not know, that's a stretch to say that Trump speech and tweets is exaggerated for the everyday joe.  That would mean that the everyday Joe cannot read or understand above a 3rd grade level.  If that is the everyday Joe in America, then the country definitely has a huge problem on its hand.  So the polls and stats that showed that Trump appealed to more uneducated people in America is spot on.  Also, would this not be considered condescending.  If you did think of yourself as the everyday Joe, would you really need someone to talk down to you like you barely passed 3rd grade.  I would believe that anyone who was spoken to this way would believe the person speaking to them thought of them as idiots.

As someone who lives in flyover country in your standards, most average joes graduated high school but don't give 2 shits about government in comparison to their daily lives. Why is that? Because Washington is in its own sort of area, and ever since probably the beginning of the Obama administration, we feel left out and ignored. Ironically you probably think flyover country is that shitty part of the country where everyone is dumb and cant do much, but in reality we have some of the best standards of living in the country with some of the wisest people you may ever meet. In fact, where I live we never experienced that Great Recession, or at least not to the scale that many others did. There were a few minor ramifications, but for the most part it was smooth sailing for an overwhelming majority of people.

What I'm getting at here is these people are brilliant, but only in certain areas. Most people would say doctors and lawyers are some of the smartest people in the world, but if you asked them to switch jobs with each other on the spot, they would have no clue what they were doing and would come off as 3rd graders experimenting. Don't get me wrong, a lot of them are smart about politics, I mean why do you think our standards of living are fantastic? But, Trump going to these areas and talking like a common man of the area really resonates with people. I mean who would you rather listen to, someone who reads of the prompter and clearly doesn't want to be there, or someone who may drop a crazy bomb or two, but enjoys talking to them like a close friend?

Do I defend everything that Trump says? Hell no. But do I understand how he presents himself the way he does? Yeah.

I cant fully explain the context similar to how I can't explain to someone what it is like to live life in the inner cities as a black man. You have to live here or in the general area to truly see what people also see in Trump and his appeal. 



He’s a buffoon and his ilk will set the country back years. He’s also making it seem ok to some people to be pieces of shit to other citizens.



TH3-D0S3R said:
Machiavellian said:

I do not know, that's a stretch to say that Trump speech and tweets is exaggerated for the everyday joe.  That would mean that the everyday Joe cannot read or understand above a 3rd grade level.  If that is the everyday Joe in America, then the country definitely has a huge problem on its hand.  So the polls and stats that showed that Trump appealed to more uneducated people in America is spot on.  Also, would this not be considered condescending.  If you did think of yourself as the everyday Joe, would you really need someone to talk down to you like you barely passed 3rd grade.  I would believe that anyone who was spoken to this way would believe the person speaking to them thought of them as idiots.

As someone who lives in flyover country in your standards, most average joes graduated high school but don't give 2 shits about government in comparison to their daily lives. Why is that? Because Washington is in its own sort of area, and ever since probably the beginning of the Obama administration, we feel left out and ignored. Ironically you probably think flyover country is that shitty part of the country where everyone is dumb and cant do much, but in reality we have some of the best standards of living in the country with some of the wisest people you may ever meet. In fact, where I live we never experienced that Great Recession, or at least not to the scale that many others did. There were a few minor ramifications, but for the most part it was smooth sailing for an overwhelming majority of people.

What I'm getting at here is these people are brilliant, but only in certain areas. Most people would say doctors and lawyers are some of the smartest people in the world, but if you asked them to switch jobs with each other on the spot, they would have no clue what they were doing and would come off as 3rd graders experimenting. Don't get me wrong, a lot of them are smart about politics, I mean why do you think our standards of living are fantastic? But, Trump going to these areas and talking like a common man of the area really resonates with people. I mean who would you rather listen to, someone who reads of the prompter and clearly doesn't want to be there, or someone who may drop a crazy bomb or two, but enjoys talking to them like a close friend?

Do I defend everything that Trump says? Hell no. But do I understand how he presents himself the way he does? Yeah.

I cant fully explain the context similar to how I can't explain to someone what it is like to live life in the inner cities as a black man. You have to live here or in the general area to truly see what people also see in Trump and his appeal. 

We probably will never see eye to eye in this area.  I personally would like for him to be in command of the information he present.  My time is very limited so if I were to listen to someone, I want them to give me a coherent piece of their strategy.  I just do not need the ad lib stuff, going off tangent, the constant praising of oneself.  I see Trump as someone who craves attention and these rallies he probably need more than the people there to listen to him.

My thing is, if Trump talks like this when he is not doing the rallies, I would question his ability to do a highly complex Job as being President.  If Trump only talks like this when he do these rallies because he feel the people he is talking to need to be spoken to this way, then I have to say he is trolling big time.  Either way, only time will tell how his image will be in the years to come.



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Machiavellian said:
massimus said:

Haha thats rich. Your projection is on another level dude! It’s almost impressive how unaware you are. When have I not supported my stance? I didn’t reply to your “boohoo California” and personal insult bullshit? I don’t give a crap about California. California’s problems are California’s fault. I said the degregulation was good for the economy and told you how. Showed you how it was effective immediately. It took you 25 posts to answer the question and even then it’s just a name. No thought, no consequence, you probably just pulled it from some cnn article after a quick google. I would be happy to shit on that for you later. “Another excuse and deflection” lmao. I wouldn’t steal your thunder bro.

If I am the king of deflection then you must be the king of dismissal.  Your stance on California is "oh its California, I do not care, its their fault" while the entire picture is that the EPA delayed a policy until 2022 because it was good for business.  You have years or evidence, you have the EPA own scientist showing that this chemical within the pesticide is harmful to humans.  You have the same chemical banned for home use and you have evidence that shows the levels are way to high within our current food and water supply, But since the article I posted had Cali in it, you found your excuse to dismiss it out of hand.  Well here are some more just to give you more excuses to dismiss these as well.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/05/30/trump-epa-attacks-workers-and-environment-trio-lawsuits-takes-aim-outrageous-pro

http://civileats.com/2015/09/16/5-reasons-to-care-whether-the-epa-bans-chlorpyrifos-on-your-food/

As you stated, you said deregulations is good for the economy then choose to champion regulations you probably never took more than a nano second to even know whether or not it was a regulation that should be rescinded.  It's as if you just accept that if Trump has it on his radar then it must be something that needs to go.

The thing is, I probably would agree with you that going through and getting rid of a lot of crap regulations is a good thing.  The difference is that I actually took the time researching each one before making a decision if I thought it was a good ideal first before just believing in someone to tell me what is a good ideal.  Lets just see how things shake down now that Trump had to basically fire Scott Pruitt so that he can distance himself from the fallout of another one of his administration pics.

 I will take that mantle lmao. The king of dismissing your deflection. Dude, I didn’t bring up or single out California, you did. Your article was about California farmers. You’re dismissing the fact that the deregulation of highway emissions and cafe standards helps the economy because “boohoo Cali smog”. I don’t care lol. Cali is a joke, not like they follow federal law anyways. How’s the secession movement going for them? Good riddance lol. 

 

I wouldn’t care if they shut the EPA down tomorrow. What a useless agency. We don’t need a federal EPA, states have their own. That’s why I say cali’s problems are cali’s fault. That goes for all states. It has nothing to do with trump support, I’m for massive deregulation on principle. Im a limited government, states rights, low tax and free market independent. Federal regulation is a joke. I looked through many of the regulations and told you specifically on a few how ditching those helped the economy. You looked through every single one and you didn’t see anything but it doesn’t mean it’s not there. You didn’t do any “research” lol. You have no idea how any of those effected the economy. 

 

Most regulation is crap though. Power grabs.  The federal government is far too large and reaching. As a progressive that is your principle. You couldn’t afford your economics on a state budget, you need endless federal debt and control to sustain your vision. It’s why Cali hasn’t gone single payer yet. They have the power to do so but the cost would collapse them. I’m of the school of thought that states should be largely self sufficient.  It’s just a different mindset. Regulation should be done by the state. That way we have an escape route and mobility when a state does something stupid. Federal law you can’t escape by moving to a different state, that’s why the left goes that route. 

 

Pruitt resigned because he wasted money on dumb shit. That’s nothing new, look at the cost, stupid expenses and regulations of the EPA since 2000. At least he actually resigned, nobody cared about the last 18 years of fraud and abuse but now that it’s trump you care all of the sudden? Joke. There is absolutely no reason they should have that much power. NONE. Bringing them down to size is a win in my book. I think we would be better off without half of the alphabet agencies. 



massimus said:
Machiavellian said:

If I am the king of deflection then you must be the king of dismissal.  Your stance on California is "oh its California, I do not care, its their fault" while the entire picture is that the EPA delayed a policy until 2022 because it was good for business.  You have years or evidence, you have the EPA own scientist showing that this chemical within the pesticide is harmful to humans.  You have the same chemical banned for home use and you have evidence that shows the levels are way to high within our current food and water supply, But since the article I posted had Cali in it, you found your excuse to dismiss it out of hand.  Well here are some more just to give you more excuses to dismiss these as well.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/05/30/trump-epa-attacks-workers-and-environment-trio-lawsuits-takes-aim-outrageous-pro

http://civileats.com/2015/09/16/5-reasons-to-care-whether-the-epa-bans-chlorpyrifos-on-your-food/

As you stated, you said deregulations is good for the economy then choose to champion regulations you probably never took more than a nano second to even know whether or not it was a regulation that should be rescinded.  It's as if you just accept that if Trump has it on his radar then it must be something that needs to go.

The thing is, I probably would agree with you that going through and getting rid of a lot of crap regulations is a good thing.  The difference is that I actually took the time researching each one before making a decision if I thought it was a good ideal first before just believing in someone to tell me what is a good ideal.  Lets just see how things shake down now that Trump had to basically fire Scott Pruitt so that he can distance himself from the fallout of another one of his administration pics.

 I will take that mantle lmao. The king of dismissing your deflection. Dude, I didn’t bring up or single out California, you did. Your article was about California farmers. You’re dismissing the fact that the deregulation of highway emissions and cafe standards helps the economy because “boohoo Cali smog”. I don’t care lol. Cali is a joke, not like they follow federal law anyways. How’s the secession movement going for them? Good riddance lol. 

 

I wouldn’t care if they shut the EPA down tomorrow. What a useless agency. We don’t need a federal EPA, states have their own. That’s why I say cali’s problems are cali’s fault. That goes for all states. It has nothing to do with trump support, I’m for massive deregulation on principle. Im a limited government, states rights, low tax and free market independent. Federal regulation is a joke. I looked through many of the regulations and told you specifically on a few how ditching those helped the economy. You looked through every single one and you didn’t see anything but it doesn’t mean it’s not there. You didn’t do any “research” lol. You have no idea how any of those effected the economy. 

 

Most regulation is crap though. Power grabs.  The federal government is far too large and reaching. As a progressive that is your principle. You couldn’t afford your economics on a state budget, you need endless federal debt and control to sustain your vision. It’s why Cali hasn’t gone single payer yet. They have the power to do so but the cost would collapse them. I’m of the school of thought that states should be largely self sufficient.  It’s just a different mindset. Regulation should be done by the state. That way we have an escape route and mobility when a state does something stupid. Federal law you can’t escape by moving to a different state, that’s why the left goes that route. 

 

Pruitt resigned because he wasted money on dumb shit. That’s nothing new, look at the cost, stupid expenses and regulations of the EPA since 2000. At least he actually resigned, nobody cared about the last 18 years of fraud and abuse but now that it’s trump you care all of the sudden? Joke. There is absolutely no reason they should have that much power. NONE. Bringing them down to size is a win in my book. I think we would be better off without half of the alphabet agencies. 

So in your world why do we even need a Constitution, every state also have a constitution so who needs a national one.  Actually, why do we even need a federal government, President, Congress or any of those institution since all states have their own as well (Ok maybe not a president but lets just say a Governor comes close enough).  So basically in your world we should get rid of the Fed and just be a bunch of city states that self govern themselves.  Is this correct or am I reading this incorrectly.

If you really think Pruitt resigned you are kidding yourself.  Also if you think he got the pink slip because he wasted money you really need to follow the money more.  He was fired because he was sloppy.  As with most of Trump people when they do wrong, take money get exposed its because they have no clue how to cover their tracks.  He was fired because he had way to many people exposing his corruptions and pay to play EPA policies.  We all know sooner or later it was going to go up the tree so he got canned.

As for if most regulations are crap or not, that one fit all opinion is why businesses get away with what they do.  People actually do not take the time to actually read why a policy was put into place and what caused the action.  I can agree that there are probably a lot of outdated regulations that could use a review and a through process to see if the cost benefits are still valid but first the review should happen not just some knee jerk throw out everything then let GOD sort it out type of reform that seems to be this administration game plan.



Our constitution is not limitations on the people, it’s limitations on our government and of course it’s necessary. State and federal. Federal regulation is not the same, not even close. Regulations are penalties on the people.

He resigned because people made a stink about his spending abuse. It’s not new, that’s all I’m
saying. He should have been fired like everyone else in that agency should have when nobody gave a shit. “Sloppy” lmao. Yea ok.. You praise the other frauds for covering their tracks? They didn’t, you just didn’t care then because you didn’t have a deep seeded hatred for the president.

Ok we’ll be specific then, I did lol. Would you like me to go through more? Pick one and I will tell you how it helps the economy. I’m free market , I can always find a reason.





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numberwang said:

The media never fails to disappoint me with their idiocy