Sony has a lot of bad apples among its operating units, with most of them losing money for years or fluctuating over the years. Even then, Sony has a lot of competition in those industries and isn't a top competitor in them. Even when you look at the consistently profitable segments, like music, they don't make enough. The only segment that is doing as well as games is insurance, which is a separate subsidiary. At the same time, there is more risk for Sony. They have weaker liquidity and more debt. 

Nintendo, on the other hand, has a lot of potentials. They have a large portfolio of IPs that can be leveraged into other products and mobile games. They have the legacy systems and of course the hardware/software business. The company has little debt, pays a constant dividend and is flushed with cash, giving them plenty of opportunities for M&A activities. Nintendo has a better outlook for growth with levering their IPs, the Switch selling well, and expanding into other markets. 

As for the income, keep in mind Sony has a larger install base. This means more revenue from PSPlus and licensing fees from software developers. This will change as the Switch install base grows and the online service kicks in.

Both, but the proportion is anyone guess.

You mean Sony having all their departments making profit in the quarter and "only" increasing 13% the stocks?

My sole point is that trying to use stock market evaluation for anything here is mostly useless.

I think an educated guess based on the launch numbers of the WiiU and 3DS could help.

But yeah it will be easier to compare after we get to the end of the first year for the Switch.

Sony has a lot of bad apples among its operating units, with most of them losing money for years or fluctuating over the years. Even then, Sony has a lot of competition in those industries and isn't a top competitor in them. Even when you look at the consistently profitable segments, like music, they don't make enough. The only segment that is doing as well as games is insurance, which is a separate subsidiary. At the same time, there is more risk for Sony. They have weaker liquidity and more debt. 

Nintendo, on the other hand, has a lot of potentials. They have a large portfolio of IPs that can be leveraged into other products and mobile games. They have the legacy systems and of course the hardware/software business. The company has little debt, pays a constant dividend and is flushed with cash, giving them plenty of opportunities for M&A activities. Nintendo has a better outlook for growth with levering their IPs, the Switch selling well, and expanding into other markets. 

As for the income, keep in mind Sony has a larger install base. This means more revenue from PSPlus and licensing fees from software developers. This will change as the Switch install base grows and the online service kicks in.

Well sure we can suppose when talking about migration there is more 3DS owners than WiiU owners buying Switch... but I also believe they are bringing a healthy quantity of new customers.

Yes you are totally right, and all that influences the evaluation of the company. But you also understood that a lot of the "value" is based on speculation and manipulation as well.

A lot of people here aren't happy with MS gift.

Microsoft created a disease, and now Sony has a better cure. That's about it. I've rolled over on the yearly sub for online, but the locking out aspect sucks. PSN at it's pre-pay peak was as good of a free online console service as we ever did or will see. The server game saves and bonus games make the whole package really nice, especially for owners of all 3 Sony consoles, but locking online play behind a paywall still seems dirty.

What?! That's not how companies get valuated. Maybe internally, but to critics (like Forbes who make those lists) and investors, it's easy to see that it's not the case.

Sony has a lot of bad apples among its operating units, with most of them losing money for years or fluctuating over the years. Even then, Sony has a lot of competition in those industries and isn't a top competitor in them. Even when you look at the consistently profitable segments, like music, they don't make enough. The only segment that is doing as well as games is insurance, which is a separate subsidiary. At the same time, there is more risk for Sony. They have weaker liquidity and more debt. 

Nintendo, on the other hand, has a lot of potentials. They have a large portfolio of IPs that can be leveraged into other products and mobile games. They have the legacy systems and of course the hardware/software business. The company has little debt, pays a constant dividend and is flushed with cash, giving them plenty of opportunities for M&A activities. Nintendo has a better outlook for growth with levering their IPs, the Switch selling well, and expanding into other markets. 

As for the income, keep in mind Sony has a larger install base. This means more revenue from PSPlus and licensing fees from software developers. This will change as the Switch install base grows and the online service kicks in.

Yes you are totally right, and all that influences the evaluation of the company. But you also understood that a lot of the "value" is based on speculation and manipulation as well.