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KazumaKiryu said:

My favorite VR-experience is "Summer Lesson", i like it :) RE7 is good too. How is the Gran Turismo Sport VR-Mode?

 

 

DonFerrari said:

GT VR from what Svennoj said is very poorly implemented.

The graphics are better than DC... but it limits you to 1 vs 1 race on low difficult (that you can put to a lot of laps and turn it into a time trial basically). And also for him seemed to make the circuit smaller and lose sense of speed. I haven't tried it yet.

Sadly you can't even change the number of laps, max 1 on the longer tracks, default 2, 10 on the smallest oval. You can turn around and drive the course in reverse to keep going...

Driving is excellent, all the nice lighting is gone though. Cars are very cramped, if you move your head too far the screen blacks out. (In DC and Dirt Rally you can stick your head out the car, in some race cars in GT you can't even properluy turn your head with the screen blacking out)

The scale issue might have something to do with my glasses. Maybe that messes up the sensation of scale, as to me it all looks at 75% of normal size. Perhaps I'll get used to it over time. DC felt small too in the beginning. RE7 didn't though, it's weird. The tracks do look smaller, since on a screen the look kinda stretched out to give you more sense of speed. It's a bit jarring going back and forth.

Anyway here's an impression of the better looking tracks in VR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTE5R68pDLg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brIA_Xh-sLw&t=24s

As you can see in that rally video, your viewpoint does not move with the car in GT Sport which is rather weird when the car tilts like that and you don't.


If you want the best VR racing experience on PSVR, get Dirt Rally


DC VR wins in sheer content, but is the roughest looking of the three.



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SvennoJ said:
KazumaKiryu said:

My favorite VR-experience is "Summer Lesson", i like it :) RE7 is good too. How is the Gran Turismo Sport VR-Mode?

 

 

DonFerrari said:

GT VR from what Svennoj said is very poorly implemented.

The graphics are better than DC... but it limits you to 1 vs 1 race on low difficult (that you can put to a lot of laps and turn it into a time trial basically). And also for him seemed to make the circuit smaller and lose sense of speed. I haven't tried it yet.

Sadly you can't even change the number of laps, max 1 on the longer tracks, default 2, 10 on the smallest oval. You can turn around and drive the course in reverse to keep going...

Driving is excellent, all the nice lighting is gone though. Cars are very cramped, if you move your head too far the screen blacks out. (In DC and Dirt Rally you can stick your head out the car, in some race cars in GT you can't even properluy turn your head with the screen blacking out)

The scale issue might have something to do with my glasses. Maybe that messes up the sensation of scale, as to me it all looks at 75% of normal size. Perhaps I'll get used to it over time. DC felt small too in the beginning. RE7 didn't though, it's weird. The tracks do look smaller, since on a screen the look kinda stretched out to give you more sense of speed. It's a bit jarring going back and forth.

Anyway here's an impression of the better looking tracks in VR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTE5R68pDLg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brIA_Xh-sLw&t=24s

As you can see in that rally video, your viewpoint does not move with the car in GT Sport which is rather weird when the car tilts like that and you don't.


If you want the best VR racing experience on PSVR, get Dirt Rally


DC VR wins in sheer content, but is the roughest looking of the three.

will answer once I have GTS =p



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Mandalore76 said:

I do play some games on PC, but I invest way more of my time and money into console gaming.  So, I had no premeditated reason not to be blown over by PSVR upon first trying it months before that.  I just wasn't.  That's my personal opinion.  I only impulse bought the Rift after the price drop announcement this summer and confirming that the only upgrade my PC would require to run it was a graphics card.  I didn't say PSVR was boring, obviously I haven't played many of the games.  But, my first experience with it did not suck me in the way the Rift did right off the bat.  You asked for first impressions, so I gave mine.  Somehow I got construed as "dishonest" for relaying my personal opinion that differed from someone elses.

Reread your post.

It was like

"me: well PSVR is very underwhelming... ow Rift is fantastic... people say the difference is small but it is very very big"

"my friends: we like PSVR.... owwwwwwwwwwww Rift is so superior, I can't believe the difference".

If that doesn't sound you trying to prove Rift is better than PSVR when you yourself said most people doesn't find they that different (we do know Rift have better resolution and that a beffed up PC can make a better showing) doesn't fit your answers after.

I don't know any other way to word mine and their first experiences other than how they were.  I was blown away by the Rift straight from the demo and so were they.  Those are accurate first impressions as they occured.  They were initially very excited with their PSVR to the point where they insisted I come over to try it.  So, their first impression with PSVR was extremely positive.  The only games they had to show me at the time were the demo, which I found to be okay/somewhat fun in a Nintendo Land sort of way, but not over the moon impressive (to me); and Until Dawn: Rush of Blood, which I also found to be just okay, but not overwhelmingly immersive.  That was my first impression with PSVR.  For me, it was okay, but nothing I was excited or hyped to dive back into.  They loved it and wanted me to come over more, but I wasn't as excited.  Months later, the price dropped on Oculus Rift, and suddenly something I had no/little intent to buy was now something that piqued my interest.  The opening demo "First Contact" blew me away.  That was my first impression.  I immediately began downloading more apps, and buying more games because how much that immersion stuck with me and pulled me in.  I in turn brought my same friends over to try the Rift that had showed me their PSVR, and I did not embellish their reactions.  His wife saying the difference was night and day was a direct quote.  Others might not see it that way, but I'm not going to sugar quote a personal experience.  Because yes, I too am an honest person.

SvennoJ said:
Mandalore76 said:

I do play some games on PC, but I invest way more of my time and money into console gaming.  So, I had no premeditated reason not to be blown over by PSVR upon first trying it months before that.  I just wasn't.  That's my personal opinion.  I only impulse bought the Rift after the price drop announcement this summer and confirming that the only upgrade my PC would require to run it was a graphics card.  I didn't say PSVR was boring, obviously I haven't played many of the games.  But, my first experience with it did not suck me in the way the Rift did right off the bat.  You asked for first impressions, so I gave mine.  Somehow I got construed as "dishonest" for relaying my personal opinion that differed from someone elses.

What games have you played? The first I played was DC and that looked rough, but still blew me away. Then my jaw hit the floor when playing Rez Infinite. Gaming nirvana had arrived :) There are unfortunately a lot of mediocre games too and a bunch of downright shovelware.

I would like to try OR and Vive as well, yet I already have a backlog on PSVR and don't have a capable PC anyway. The best games seems to get ported back and forth anyway so it doesn't really matter.

I have to see what games they have gotten since then, but at the time of my first experience with it, they only showed me the demo and Until Dawn:  Rush of Blood. 

You should run the Oculus minimum spec test on your PC.  You might be surprised and find that all you need is a graphics card upgrade.  But, if you already have PSVR, then yeah, I probably wouldn't be keen on dropping another $700 bucks on another VR system + graphics card either.  Yes, there is overlap among the games, which is why I'm trying to get my friend to get stuff like Batman VR so that I can really compare.



Mandalore76 said:
DonFerrari said:

Reread your post.

It was like

"me: well PSVR is very underwhelming... ow Rift is fantastic... people say the difference is small but it is very very big"

"my friends: we like PSVR.... owwwwwwwwwwww Rift is so superior, I can't believe the difference".

If that doesn't sound you trying to prove Rift is better than PSVR when you yourself said most people doesn't find they that different (we do know Rift have better resolution and that a beffed up PC can make a better showing) doesn't fit your answers after.

I don't know any other way to word mine and their first experiences other than how they were.  I was blown away by the Rift straight from the demo and so were they.  Those are accurate first impressions as they occured.  They were initially very excited with their PSVR to the point where they insisted I come over to try it.  So, their first impression with PSVR was extremely positive.  The only games they had to show me at the time were the demo, which I found to be okay/somewhat fun in a Nintendo Land sort of way, but not over the moon impressive (to me); and Until Dawn: Rush of Blood, which I also found to be just okay, but not overwhelmingly immersive.  That was my first impression with PSVR.  For me, it was okay, but nothing I was excited or hyped to dive back into.  They loved it and wanted me to come over more, but I wasn't as excited.  Months later, the price dropped on Oculus Rift, and suddenly something I had no/little intent to buy was now something that piqued my interest.  The opening demo "First Contact" blew me away.  That was my first impression.  I immediately began downloading more apps, and buying more games because how much that immersion stuck with me and pulled me in.  I in turn brought my same friends over to try the Rift that had showed me their PSVR, and I did not embellish their reactions.  His wife saying the difference was night and day was a direct quote.  Others might not see it that way, but I'm not going to sugar quote a personal experience.  Because yes, I too am an honest person.

SvennoJ said:

What games have you played? The first I played was DC and that looked rough, but still blew me away. Then my jaw hit the floor when playing Rez Infinite. Gaming nirvana had arrived :) There are unfortunately a lot of mediocre games too and a bunch of downright shovelware.

I would like to try OR and Vive as well, yet I already have a backlog on PSVR and don't have a capable PC anyway. The best games seems to get ported back and forth anyway so it doesn't really matter.

I have to see what games they have gotten since then, but at the time of my first experience with it, they only showed me the demo and Until Dawn:  Rush of Blood. 

You should run the Oculus minimum spec test on your PC.  You might be surprised and find that all you need is a graphics card upgrade.  But, if you already have PSVR, then yeah, I probably wouldn't be keen on dropping another $700 bucks on another VR system + graphics card either.  Yes, there is overlap among the games, which is why I'm trying to get my friend to get stuff like Batman VR so that I can really compare.

You do know that it will be very hard sale that you aren't biased at all right?

And Batman VR is a very simplistic game even if somewhat immersive.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mandalore76 said:

I have to see what games they have gotten since then, but at the time of my first experience with it, they only showed me the demo and Until Dawn:  Rush of Blood. 

You should run the Oculus minimum spec test on your PC.  You might be surprised and find that all you need is a graphics card upgrade.  But, if you already have PSVR, then yeah, I probably wouldn't be keen on dropping another $700 bucks on another VR system + graphics card either.  Yes, there is overlap among the games, which is why I'm trying to get my friend to get stuff like Batman VR so that I can really compare.

Until dawn rush of lood didn't blow me away the first time I tried it either. The poor black level used in it threw me off, all I saw was screendoor effect in the dark areas. I bought it half a year later in a sale and got into it, it is a really fun experience, and much better than playing on rails shooters on a screen.

As for my PC, I ran the test which I knew was pointless as it has a first generation i7, that PC is 8 year old. I've switched to using laptops.

I still haven't played Batman VR, kinda want to stay away from short experiences.
The best on PSVR imo are: (out of about 60 titles I own)

Rez Infinite
RE7
DC VR (if you can get past the low detail)
Superhot VR
I expect you to die
Statik
Dirt Rally
Star Trek Bridge Crew
Farpoint
Thumper
Polybius (120 fps madness)
Bound
Windlands
Tethered
Battlezone
Cavernous wastes (Descent like shooter with procedural cave system)
The Solus project
Dino Frontier (short yet polished)

Playing on a ps4 pro helps, especially with RE7. I compared it to the base version and there it renders the edges at half resolution and never switches to higher detail mode. On the pro it steps down to lower detail when you run but resolves to a pretier picture when walking slowly. Most games don't have that profound differences though. It's a shame PSVR games are held back by the base ps4 yet the userbase is so small it's expected.

For itroducing anyone to VR I would recommened Alumette (short movie you can walk around in, free download) and Wayward sky. Point and click adventure. Wayward sky only didn't make my list as it's not that long and has not much replay potential. It does have that wow factor.

AZ Sunshine and Fantastic contraption are excellent as well but better played on OR, unless you have the AIM controller for AZ Sunshine (it's kinda shit with move).

Most anticipated for me atm are Skyrim and Doom VFR. RE7 and I expect you to die also get free content updates in December. I already can't keep up with releases, still have 3 or 4 waiting I haven't even tried yet and skipped Megaton Rainfall for now. Still playing the Solus project, End space and Eve Valkyrie, on hold atm for GT Sport.



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DonFerrari said:
Mandalore76 said:

I don't know any other way to word mine and their first experiences other than how they were.  I was blown away by the Rift straight from the demo and so were they.  Those are accurate first impressions as they occured.  They were initially very excited with their PSVR to the point where they insisted I come over to try it.  So, their first impression with PSVR was extremely positive.  The only games they had to show me at the time were the demo, which I found to be okay/somewhat fun in a Nintendo Land sort of way, but not over the moon impressive (to me); and Until Dawn: Rush of Blood, which I also found to be just okay, but not overwhelmingly immersive.  That was my first impression with PSVR.  For me, it was okay, but nothing I was excited or hyped to dive back into.  They loved it and wanted me to come over more, but I wasn't as excited.  Months later, the price dropped on Oculus Rift, and suddenly something I had no/little intent to buy was now something that piqued my interest.  The opening demo "First Contact" blew me away.  That was my first impression.  I immediately began downloading more apps, and buying more games because how much that immersion stuck with me and pulled me in.  I in turn brought my same friends over to try the Rift that had showed me their PSVR, and I did not embellish their reactions.  His wife saying the difference was night and day was a direct quote.  Others might not see it that way, but I'm not going to sugar quote a personal experience.  Because yes, I too am an honest person.

I have to see what games they have gotten since then, but at the time of my first experience with it, they only showed me the demo and Until Dawn:  Rush of Blood. 

You should run the Oculus minimum spec test on your PC.  You might be surprised and find that all you need is a graphics card upgrade.  But, if you already have PSVR, then yeah, I probably wouldn't be keen on dropping another $700 bucks on another VR system + graphics card either.  Yes, there is overlap among the games, which is why I'm trying to get my friend to get stuff like Batman VR so that I can really compare.

You do know that it will be very hard sale that you aren't biased at all right?

And Batman VR is a very simplistic game even if somewhat immersive.

If I had purchased, intended to purchase, or even demo'd the Rift first, then I could see my first impression of PSVR being unfairly skewed.  That's not the case.  And, I specifically mentioned Batman VR as a game that's on both platforms for comparison sake.  Wasn't it Batman VR developed for PS4 specifically and then ported to other platforms later?  By the way, a VR game doesn't have to be overly involved to provide an immersive experience.  I've played the first few minutes of Batman VR on my Rift (I've been side-tracked from playing more by the other games I'm playing atm).  I have to say, standing in the Batcave looking into the mirror and seeing not myself, but Batman mimicking my movements was a very strange sensation for me.  Anyway, I mention it merely as an opportunity where my friend and I can have the same game on our individual platforms and compare experiences.  Regardless of your insistence that I have some kind of agenda, your OP asked for first VR experiences.  I gave mine.  It goes against what you wanted to hear.  I get that.  I'm not here to sell you anything.  I've done my sharing.  



Mandalore76 said:
DonFerrari said:

You do know that it will be very hard sale that you aren't biased at all right?

And Batman VR is a very simplistic game even if somewhat immersive.

If I had purchased, intended to purchase, or even demo'd the Rift first, then I could see my first impression of PSVR being unfairly skewed.  That's not the case.  And, I specifically mentioned Batman VR as a game that's on both platforms for comparison sake.  Wasn't it Batman VR developed for PS4 specifically and then ported to other platforms later?  By the way, a VR game doesn't have to be overly involved to provide an immersive experience.  I've played the first few minutes of Batman VR on my Rift (I've been side-tracked from playing more by the other games I'm playing atm).  I have to say, standing in the Batcave looking into the mirror and seeing not myself, but Batman mimicking my movements was a very strange sensation for me.  Anyway, I mention it merely as an opportunity where my friend and I can have the same game on our individual platforms and compare experiences.  Regardless of your insistence that I have some kind of agenda, your OP asked for first VR experiences.  I gave mine.  It goes against what you wanted to hear.  I get that.  I'm not here to sell you anything.  I've done my sharing.  

I have Batman VR and liked it, it just isn't much of a showcase, although it have very good visuals and immersion, it's to slow.

And yes I asked for 1st time experience. Just found your very polarization of PSVR and Rift a little extreme to be real life examples. But if you are attesting they are, so be it.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
habam said:
a friend of me tried farpoint with the aim controller. He was completly blown away how far technology and gaming has come.

I remember a friend that loves FPS, and is quite good... he was totally blow away by how hard and interesting was to play KZ3 on 3D with PSMove on a shotgun mount.

Never played KZ3 so cant compare but in my expierence playing farpoint in vr with the aim is alot easier compared to controller aiming or even keyboard/mouse. Its just like real shooting. Even people that never played FPS in their lifes before had no problems playing it



habam said:
DonFerrari said:

I remember a friend that loves FPS, and is quite good... he was totally blow away by how hard and interesting was to play KZ3 on 3D with PSMove on a shotgun mount.

Never played KZ3 so cant compare but in my expierence playing farpoint in vr with the aim is alot easier compared to controller aiming or even keyboard/mouse. Its just like real shooting. Even people that never played FPS in their lifes before had no problems playing it

It is almost like reacting to instinctis right?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mandalore76 said:
DonFerrari said:

Perhaps because you aren't trying to prove one is better.

You asked for personal account of 1st VR experience, and accounts of watching others use for the first time.  I gave my completely honest first impressions of 2 platforms, and a comparison experience of watching other people who have used both as well.   

I agree though...I have used both headsets as well and the biggest difference really is in the tracking. The display resolution isn't that different, I even think I prefer the 120Hz OLED with 3 RGB sub pixels one of the PSVR to the 90 Hz pentile matrix one of the Rift, since it has less of a screen door effect.

I do think one should have a Pro for the PSVR mandatory, since the improved resolution and super sampling on many titles really improves the experience. I also much prefer the PSVR from the comfort side of things. The Touch Controllers on the Rift are much superior though. I don't understand why Sony doesn't release a new pair of Move controllers with sticks added. Guess they don't want to alienate early adopters.


On topic, my first VR experience was Crytek's "The Climb" last year at some VR convention, where I went as an audio engineer interested in the topic of immersive 3D audio.

I was immediately distracted by the strong screen door effect the Rift has, but I got used to it fast and it it was very immersive. A completely new experience and it felt really impressive looking down and around while hanging on that rock. I didn't really like the feeling of the headset, I got hot pretty fast...especially since The Climb is a pretty exhausting game as you have to move your arms up and down a lot...which felt a bit strange in between all those people on that convention lol. It also felt uncomfortable with my pair of glasses on. 

Since I tried out my friend's PSVR, I'm longing to buy one together with a Pro. Farpoint with the Aim Controller being my favourite atm. Eye opening even. It has a lot of worthwhile software imho and feels more comfortable with my glasses on. I want to upgrade to a Pro soon anyway, so the financial step is a lower one, than to upgrade my PC for VR. It's still sufficient for gaming atm, but VR just is another beast and I would have to upgrade the whole system for it... I'm playing less and less on PC since I'm having less and less time to game, so it doesn't really feel worth it. Just prefering the couch experience atm.

ATM I would really love to try out GTS with PSVR and a wheel since I love that game. Sadly my friend doesn't like racing games.

Either way...very excited for the future of VR! Next gen (consoles and headsets) is going to be very interesting.

Last edited by Errorist76 - on 29 October 2017