I believe Sony have played their hand perfectly with the PS4pro. What I think they did was force Microsoft's hand so they had to react much sooner than they wanted. Sony carefully 'under-promoted' the Pro to make sure only those in the know would rush out to buy one initially, knowing full well that MS would seize upon this and heavily promote the Scorpio, cementing it in the minds of a much larger audience. 

But why would they do that? I've always said that Sony play chess while Microsoft play poker, and this is a perfect example. There HAS to be a cooling off period between the release of a mid gen upgrade and the release of a brand new generation, otherwise a lot of people will feel slighted. Given that Sony have cleverly positioned the Pro as an upgrade while Microsoft have pushed the Scorpio as a huge leap over the Pro, Sony are sitting in a less vulnerable position, rather like Nintendo has, which has clearly worked for them. It's a slightly different scenario but I haven't seen many people complaining that they bought the Wiiu for certain games only to have those games held back and release on the Switch to give it sales merit. Why? Because they cut and ran, which was the perfect thing to do. Enough time had past for people to forget and move on. This of course meant Nintendo had to be VERY confident in their new console. They obviously had the right to feel that confident. Just look at the sales.

This leaves Sony in prime position with plenty of wiggle room concerning Microsoft's inevitable next gen console. There is no way Microsoft can release a next gen console only one year and six months after the Scorpio, unless they're willing to risk a huge backlash from a lot of their fans. However, Sony CAN risk releasing another console two and a half years after the Pro. They'll certainly get some backlash but nothing like Microsoft. This is why I feel Sony will bring the launch day forward and give themselves as long as they can to gain a substantial lead before Microsoft actually launch their next console. 

IF Sony can offer 4K at 60fps on every single forward conpatible game and the majority of exclusive PS5 games then the 'power' agrument is almost impossible to express to the average Joe. Right now it's a simple matter of promoting measurable and visible differences because stepping up from 30fps to 60fps and 1080p to 4K (the games that will be used to promote both consoles, MS having the advantage here) is much easier to promote to the masses. I am absolutely certain that next gen consoles will NOT be promoted with 8K and 120fps so that leaves NO metric to differentiate other than subtle things that are very difficult to express in screenshots or videos. So therefore next gen will be fought even footedly, leaving Sony with the advantage of releasing first. 

I believe Sony have played their hand perfectly with the PS4pro. What I think they did was force Microsoft's hand so they had to react much sooner than they wanted. Sony carefully 'under-promoted' the Pro to make sure only those in the know would rush out to buy one initially, knowing full well that MS would seize upon this and heavily promote the Scorpio, cementing it in the minds of a much larger audience. 

But why would they do that? I've always said that Sony play chess while Microsoft play poker, and this is a perfect example. There HAS to be a cooling off period between the release of a mid gen upgrade and the release of a brand new generation, otherwise a lot of people will feel slighted. Given that Sony have cleverly positioned the Pro as an upgrade while Microsoft have pushed the Scorpio as a huge leap over the Pro, Sony are sitting in a less vulnerable position, rather like Nintendo has, which has clearly worked for them. It's a slightly different scenario but I haven't seen many people complaining that they bought the Wiiu for certain games only to have those games held back and release on the Switch to give it sales merit. Why? Because they cut and ran, which was the perfect thing to do. Enough time had past for people to forget and move on. This of course meant Nintendo had to be VERY confident in their new console. They obviously had the right to feel that confident. Just look at the sales.

This leaves Sony in prime position with plenty of wiggle room concerning Microsoft's inevitable next gen console. There is no way Microsoft can release a next gen console only one year and six months after the Scorpio, unless they're willing to risk a huge backlash from a lot of their fans. However, Sony CAN risk releasing another console two and a half years after the Pro. They'll certainly get some backlash but nothing like Microsoft. This is why I feel Sony will bring the launch day forward and give themselves as long as they can to gain a substantial lead before Microsoft actually launch their next console. 

IF Sony can offer 4K at 60fps on every single forward conpatible game and the majority of exclusive PS5 games then the 'power' agrument is almost impossible to express to the average Joe. Right now it's a simple matter of promoting measurable and visible differences because stepping up from 30fps to 60fps and 1080p to 4K (the games that will be used to promote both consoles, MS having the advantage here) is much easier to promote to the masses. I am absolutely certain that next gen consoles will NOT be promoted with 8K and 120fps so that leaves NO metric to differentiate other than subtle things that are very difficult to express in screenshots or videos. So therefore next gen will be fought even footedly, leaving Sony with the advantage of releasing first. 

Sony couldn't promote the PRO because of the scorpio. They would have egg on their faces if they did. 

Sont couldn't promote the PRO because of the scorpio. They would have egg on their faces if they did. 

How so? It's 4K v 4k. You are making the mistake lots of people make on the internet. You think WE represent the 'majority'. We don't. 

sorry it's TrueK vs 1400p

I disagree. Generations are going to get shorter, not longer, thanks to a major system everyone in this thread is pretending doesn't exist: the PC.

Look at it this way. Let's say I care about graphics and performance. Should I get the PS4 Pro? Or should I get "the most powerful console ever," the XBox One X. How about, instead, I just build a PC. With a PC, I can build a system that runs 4K at 60 FPS. Sure, right now you might spend more to build this PC, but prices on parts go down quickly, and it wont be long before you can build a PC that outdoes the Pro for less than what Sony is selling the Pro for. By 2022, as you suggested, you'd get a far better PC for cheaper. In Febuary of 2017, Logical Incriments had a build for $415 that would be about as good as the PS4 Pro. They also provided a system that was better than the PS4 Pro for $550. By 2019, that $550 build could easily be cheaper than a Pro. Sure, Sony can drop the price, but if performance is a big selling point already, then why not spend a bit more and get more. Keep in mind that PCs are also cheaper to upgrade as oppose to buying a new system.

With Sony and Microsoft going the route of power and performance, they will have to compete with the PC. Even back in 2013, not every game was coming to the PC or the PC would have the worst version. Now, almost every game that isn't first party will come to the PC and the PC will be the best versions. Developers are already complaining that the consoles are holding them back. Unlike Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft don't have a strong portfolio of IPs that can draw customers in. They are highly reliant on 3rd parties to provide the software for their systems. 

Sony is at risk of having their market being absorbed by PC. By focusing on power, customers may make the jump to PC as the PC offer a better library (including previous generation games) and offers better performance. If Playstation's hook is "Our games look the best," then consumers will go to where they do look the best: PC. This is partly why the Pro exist in the first place. Sony needs to compete with PC, where better parts keep coming out older parts get cheaper, and the half-step with the Pro is how they do it. The PS5 will likely be a another half-step to complete with the PCs you can build then. Again, by the time 2022 rolls around, the PS4 Pro will be a joke in terms of performance. Sony will have to compete with the constant incrimental improvements that are seen in the PC world. The half-steps are how they do it. Expect the generations (for Sony at least) to move in tandum with PC parts. Expect the generations to be shorter.