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o_O.Q said:
danasider said:

No, I am not arguing that. I don't know how you could extrapolate that from what I wrote.

I am saying that people fighting for the right to use this word think they are doing it in the name of free speech and against censorship/PC culture.

But the reality was it was never part society's acceptable lexicon when uttered by white people before all of these PC/Non-PC, Liberal/Conservative dichotomy came about. White people used it with a specific intent to a specific people. So by continuing the use of that word (especially the ER version), people are actually preserving that culture which society already made a stand against during the civil rights movement and before. I also said implicitly or indirectly and stated these people may not realize what they are doing. It may not be their intent (which would mean they are not racist), but that is the end product regardless of intent.

Again, not saying that anyone who says the word is racist, but they may not even realize them fighting to utter a word deeply entrenched in hate is helping preserve a culture we as Americans rather not be a part of.

Also, I think that when the word ends with A, it's not inherently as offensive, because the history of it is different. However, I think society should stand up against that use as well, because it causes division between people when one group can use it (or a variation of it that means something very different) and another can't.

"White people used it with a specific intent to a specific people"

 

exactly, that is what is important, intent

would you concede that its possible for a word to be used with different intents at different times?

I began that argument by referencing the time it was first used. Hence the word 'useD'. Now, people use the word for a myriad of reasons, whether it be out of anger, to elicit shock, for humor, or whatever. But I am saying before all these uses, the word had one primary use and it was for belittling one group of people. That's it.

"ealize them fighting to utter a word deeply entrenched in hate"

 

from my perspective a word by itself cannot be entrenched in any particular emotion

it is people that project their own emotions onto words or through words, which is why as stated above intent is important not words

and i made the reply that i did because of this:

 

"The people fighting for the right to say it may or may not realize that they are (implicitly or explicitly) holding onto that racist culture that existed long before PC culture"

A word can be deeply entrenched in emotion (firmly established by or ingrained). That's decided on a personal level yes, but also it's decided by society at large. When the word was first used in our history, the entire use was racist. Not necessarily now, but that's where it was born from.

A lot of people still feel you can't separate that definition of the word and the hate that went with it no matter how much you try to argue it away. Most curses have some reason for why they came about and who they were aimed at. Ethnic slurs are born from hateful attitudes against groups of people the users feel they are superior to. Whether other uses have arisen doesn't erase how the word came to be, and it doesn't erase that particular emotion that people have associated with it for generations. The phrase "emotionally charged word" isn't one I made up. Many feel that words have power.

That is why something like the n-word is treated differently than something like ass for the f-word. And even then, those words have their places and uses. You can't just drop the f-bomb anywhere. But most don't attribute the f-word with a history that marginalizes a particular group. Same why the other f-word is not accepted.



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SpokenTruth said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:

You are not human or not normal of you dont use those words when you rage in a game online by some people here.

Sure but what words come into your mind?   Do you actually think about saying the n word?

I believe you have a repertoire of words stored in your head that you use frequently and on some occasions... knowing a word doesn't mean you will use them unless you use them frequently. Most religious people are aware of swearing words but rarely use them if at all because these words are not part of their repertoire. They use other words when they are pissed. It's almost impossible to just shout a word thet you never use unless you have tourette (is this how it's called). Would you shout a word not in your language like a Malaysian word just because you heard it once? I think not. 



I just read this whole thread, and I think it's safe to assume that most of you haven't had much actual interaction with Black people. I also hope you are all young, and will continue to educate yourselves so you can grow as people. I'm just going to leave it at that.



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TopCat8 said:
I just read this whole thread, and I think it's safe to assume that most of you haven't had much actual interaction with Black people. I also hope you are all young, and will continue to educate yourselves so you can grow as people. I'm just going to leave it at that.

That's racist dude, not all black people are okay with the word.



I hope he kills a puppy and then people might care and realize how much of a POS he actually is.



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Chrizum said:
TopCat8 said:
I just read this whole thread, and I think it's safe to assume that most of you haven't had much actual interaction with Black people. I also hope you are all young, and will continue to educate yourselves so you can grow as people. I'm just going to leave it at that.

That's racist dude, not all black people are okay with the word.

That was my point...



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TopCat8 said:
Chrizum said:

That's racist dude, not all black people are okay with the word.

That was my point...

On the other hand, many are okay with it!

Do you feel offended if someone shouts the word out of frustration at a videogame? (so not directed to a person)



A few hours late but not dissapointed. At this point its clear the "skeptic community" and "alt right" will downplay and damage control every single instance of blatant and not so blatant racism. Its to be expected really.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

Chrizum said:
TopCat8 said:

That was my point...

On the other hand, many are okay with it!

Do you feel offended if someone shouts the word out of frustration at a videogame? (so not directed to a person)

I don't personally get offended by the word. I just would view that person (and his defenders) as ignorant or racist, and I feel better about myself in the process.



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TopCat8 said:
Chrizum said:

On the other hand, many are okay with it!

Do you feel offended if someone shouts the word out of frustration at a videogame? (so not directed to a person)

I don't personally get offended by the word. I just would view that person (and his defenders) as ignorant or racist, and I feel better about myself in the process.

Then I think it's safe to assume that you haven't had much actual interaction with black people playing videogames... (hint: they swear with the N-word all the time).