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Rab said:
nanarchy said:

the technology is still a long way away. We are not just a long way off from real AI, it is so far off we can't even begin to guess when it will be developed.

Famous last words of dying speacies :p

But no worries mate, what will come will come

The reality is AI is hard, no one has cracked it, not even close, no one even has a good idea how to crack it (unless they are keeping it to themselves), we build neural networks and expert systems trying to imitate intelligence with mathematical models and structures but so far that is the best we can do and really it is a farely poor imitation but good enough for many scenarios like performing well defined tasks, sorting through large amounts of data or pattern recognition.

E.g. the example mentioned of replacing Junior lawyers doing case research, this is something we have already written expert systems for decades ago, I worked on one for a large law firm in Australia written in AionDS some 20 years ago, also did a risk assessor system for an insurance company. They work well because the actual job doesn't require much thought and works easily on a simple well defined set of rules, calling it AI is personally something I hate as their is no intelligence in these systems, they are purely rules engines.



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nanarchy said:
Rab said:

Famous last words of dying speacies :p

But no worries mate, what will come will come

The reality is AI is hard, no one has cracked it, not even close, no one even has a good idea how to crack it (unless they are keeping it to themselves), we build neural networks and expert systems trying to imitate intelligence with mathematical models and structures but so far that is the best we can do and really it is a farely poor imitation but good enough for many scenarios like performing well defined tasks, sorting through large amounts of data or pattern recognition.

E.g. the example mentioned of replacing Junior lawyers doing case research, this is something we have already written expert systems for decades ago, I worked on one for a large law firm in Australia written in AionDS some 20 years ago, also did a risk assessor system for an insurance company. They work well because the actual job doesn't require much thought and works easily on a simple well defined set of rules, calling it AI is personally something I hate as their is no intelligence in these systems, they are purely rules engines.

I appreciate your knowledge in this area, you obviously are invested in tech. I think when this AI thing gets cracked it will spread like fire, but in the meantime Automation is probably a better descriptor of what we are facing, AI will ride in on its coat tails so to speak, thanks for the detailed post  



Mar1217 said:
monocle_layton said:
Just a prank bro

gone wrong of course.

Gone sexual too



WTF?!?

Is this from a credible source?

re: nurse v cop

The patient was the victim of a head on car crash, instigated by a high speed police pursuit against department policy

The other driver--the suspect--died in the crash. So why did the cop want the victim's blood? To find something to disparage the victim...

And excuse the police from instigating the deadly car chase. This is not really uncommon, relatively speaking. Other cop on video saying...

No probable cause. It's not that they didn't want to go to effort of getting a warrant, they knew no judge would sign one.

Also, the Supreme Court decision holding it unconstitutional to draw blood w/o consent or warrant came down last year. The cop...

Is a trained phlebotomist in the police blood draw unit. There is *no way* he was unaware of a SCOTUS case that directly controlled his work

So this is incredible in that its actually worse than the video shows--it's criminal abuse of power in at least three ways

Oh, and dept reviewed video w/in 12 hrs, did nothing til it went viral. If you think he's just a rogue cop, you're not paying attention

Turns out, victim was off duty Idaho cop. Nurse Wubbels was arrested for protecting an unconscious officer from abuse by another officer.



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JinxRake said:
SvennoJ said:

Ah nice, I studied AI in the early 90's as well, and we still can't have a reliable conversation with an automated system over the phone, 25 years later. So far the smartest things I've seen computer programs do is crash or get in infinite loops in innovative ways :) I think we're still a long way off from AI that can actually grow by itself.

My grandfather went from not having electricity and getting coal delivered for heating to sending emails in his life time, things aren't progressing as fast nowadays. Although I still have half a lifetime to go.

Interestingly enough, Facebook does not share your optimistic view on the growth of AIs, following their little episode with their own experiment. AIs developing their own language, ON their own, during interaction between themselves, I think counts as "AIs growing by itself".

 

Don't you?

Facebook? I don't share any views on Facebook :p

AI's growing by going outside the oundaries of their original intentions? Were these AIs not written to develop communication methods? it's not growth if all it does is solve a pre defined search space. Right now AI's are all very narrowly defined expert systems. Nobody really knows how to bring these together to start making a general purpose AI that can actually pick up new skills.



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Here is a question... With how much money lawyers earn... Why is he an Uber driver?



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Pemalite said:
Here is a question... With how much money lawyers earn... Why is he an Uber driver?

Probably couldn't get picked up by a law firm. Maybe he went to college, passed the bar exam, and never went any further. My ex's nephew went to college to be a lawyer. Passed everything and now works as a bank teller.



Pemalite said:
Here is a question... With how much money lawyers earn... Why is he an Uber driver?

Oh boy people will call me an automation freak.

Anyway:

Lawyers, for example, may conjure up images of formidable debators pontificating in front of grand juries, but the reality is much more mundane.

"The vast majority of activities that lawyers are engaged in are straightforward drafting of contracts, putting together things like apartment leases, real estate deals, pre-trial discovery," Kaplan said. "It's these very tasks that make the profession susceptible to automation."

Startups are already springing up to take on these time-consuming and expensive chores. Kaplan lists just a few of them in his book — Judicata uses statistical methods called machine learning and natural language processing to automatically find relevant court cases.

Fair Document allows users to fill out forms to create documents for, say, estate planning for only $995 — a "service that might otherwise typically cost $3,500 to $5,000," for a lawyer to do.

There's already a huge gap between the small number of law jobs and increasing law school graduates. The New York Times reports 40% of 2014 law school graduates failed to find jobs "that required them to pass the bar exam."






Ka-pi96 said:
American police again? I wonder where they stand in the rankings of "most corrupt and worst at upholding the law police". They gotta be high up on that list for sure! Huge changes needed there.

It isn't something new, did something happen to change it? More training? Investments? Isn't their like an Union that would demand more training? I find hard to believe the police being happy with everything going on?   ofcourse it is maybe also blown out of proportion because of social media.






Aeolus451 said:
The only thing he's right about is being able to film the police or anyone for the most part but they can search his car. They did search it and they ended up arresting his passenger. Cops do make mistakes because they're people too.

They only searched his car because they called in a K-9 unit, and one of the cops (NOT the K-9 officer) then immediately entered the vehicle and began to search it, despite (according to the driver) receiving no confirmation from the K-9 officer that the dog had indicated anything of legal interest.  If I recall the video correctly, the officer who entered was the same officer as was most belligerent in the video. 

Where did you get the information that the passenger was arrested in connection with this event? 



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