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SpokenTruth said:
noagenda said:

Yes, straw man tactic...the tactic of people without evidence.

Are you saying Snowden didn't expose that Eschalon was a fact and all phone lines have been tapped?  He did, in case you haven't been paying attention.  And did Obama use EO to allow NSA to share its snooping with all intelligence agencies?  He did, in case you haven't been paying attention.  In fact, he did it 7 days before leaving office so that info gotten by NSA could be leaked...and it has been leaked for political agendas, not because Trump has done anything illegal. 

Straw man?  I made no alternative claim so no straw people were built.  But speaking of words, are you familiar with the term irony?

You correct, I used the wrong term.   You used Ad Hominem against me, not straw man.  I stand corrected.

I notice you aren't addressing the truth of the "tap" on all people in the US.  Still trying to deflect the truth that Trump, while using loose terms, was essentially correct.  Problem is, they don't "tap" lines, as they have full access to the lines without a tap.

 

Furthermore, you obviously don't know what is ironic if you think there is irony in my statements.  But you are welcome to explain.



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noagenda said:

You used Ad Hominem against me, not straw man.  I stand corrected.to explain.

He didnt use either.



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johnsobas said:
nobody thinks Obama literally tapped Trump's phone line, even Trump went on to explain what he meant by that. We already know some of the phone conversations at Trump tower were monitored, the DOJ already admitted that. It's just a matter if it was politically motivated and was the unmasking of the names of the people monitored politically motivated or a matter of national security.

Why you are bringing this up again I don't know. If they wanted to really deny what Trump said they would not use such lawyer speak about a wiretap, in 2017 you don't wiretap people's phones.

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Pemalite said:
noagenda said:

You used Ad Hominem against me, not straw man.  I stand corrected.to explain.

He didnt use either.

He did....he acted like my username was reason to discount my opinion....that is EXACTLY Ad Hominem. 



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SpokenTruth said:
noagenda said:

Snowden says hi...and reminds you WE ARE ALL TAPPED.

NSA at the controls, and Obama left office giving them unheard of leyway to spread their FUD.

*sees username*

You don't say.

 

SpokenTruth said:
noagenda said:

He did....he acted like my username was reason to discount my opinion....that is EXACTLY Ad Hominem. 

No, I didn't use your username to discount your opinion.  I never stated an opinion regarding your opinion.  I stated your username because it is ironic given that you immediately started posting an agenda.

If you don't know your logical fallacies and how to properly use them, just say so and move on.

You absolutely did.  Sure it wasn't an outright statement, instead, you inferred.  Instead refuting my claims with your own evidence, you choose to try and use character assasination by attempting to assign meaning to my name (which, FYI, is nothing more than an homage to a good podcast).

What you did is the definition of Ad Hominem, so perhaps you should be the one moving on.



SpokenTruth said:
noagenda said:

He did....he acted like my username was reason to discount my opinion....that is EXACTLY Ad Hominem. 

No, I didn't use your username to discount your opinion.  I never stated an opinion regarding your opinion.  I stated your username because it is ironic given that you immediately started posting an agenda.

If you don't know your logical fallacies and how to properly use them, just say so and move on.

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numberwang said:

LOL. This should be interesting how this plays out.



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barneystinson69 said:

LOL. This should be interesting how this plays out.

Meh, doesn't really change anything. He specified Trump Tower. Plus he said it was done illegally. The Manafort tap was authorized by the FISA court. And on top of that it was done after Manafort was fired from the campaign.



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