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Aeolus451 said:
Soundwave said:

Closet racists I'm pretty sure were a fair size of his voter bloc, it doesn't have to be outright KKK members. And yes, thankfully they are a shrinking minority who lose ground, in 15 years if Trump tried the same strategy he would lose soundly even against an uncharismatic bore like Hilary. 

False. He probably have won by a larger margin. You attributed trump's win to racists (which is bullshit) but it was actually because of people who hate sjw/progressives and democrats like hillary. The younger generation is surprisingly very conservative/libertarian and more years of dealing with SJWs would have encouraged even more people to lean to the right.

You might be conservative, but majority of young people are not, if the election was only 18-24 year olds we can see from the exit polling that Trump loses that election easily. 

I'm saying racists are a *part* of his voter bloc, if you want to deny that go ahead, but I think deep down you know that's lie yourself. He doesn't want to alienate that group. 

And for a Republican every voter bloc counts because in all honesty they are not very easily able to win popular votes anymore. They need to eek out wins on electoral map technicalities to be able to win anymore. 

Americans under the age of 5 are already a majority minority population. In a few years, by 2020 majority of children under 18 will be a minority majority. That's the future of the American demographics ... as I've said in the long term Trump style politics are really in their last dying gasp. America is going to have to accept that it is already a massively multi-ethnic society.



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AlfredoTurkey said:
Aeolus451 said:

Because they believed those polls?

Believe what fairy tale you want.

No, because Trump (and Clinton) weren't popular enough to get them to the polls. Bad candidates tend to do that. 

Since when has turnout in American elections been good? Even when Ross Perot was on the ticket in 1992, turnout wasn't even at 60% (in fact, it was less than 1% higher than this election's turnout).



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Senseless.

However, I do wonder, if it had been an "ANTIFA" protestor driving a car into these so-called "Nazi" idiots, how many of the people condemning the act of terrorism, would be applauding it and calling the guy who did it a hero?

Funny how those kinds of things tend to work.



DevilRising said:
Senseless.

However, I do wonder, if it had been an "ANTIFA" protestor driving a car into these so-called "Nazi" idiots, how many of the people condemning the act of terrorism, would be applauding it and calling the guy who did it a hero?

Funny how those kinds of things tend to work.

I don't know. The only way to truly know is if that actually happened.



Soundwave said:
Aeolus451 said:

False. He probably have won by a larger margin. You attributed trump's win to racists (which is bullshit) but it was actually because of people who hate sjw/progressives and democrats like hillary. The younger generation is surprisingly very conservative/libertarian and more years of dealing with SJWs would have encouraged even more people to lean to the right.

You might be conservative, but majority of young people are not, if the election was only 18-24 year olds we can see from the exit polling that Trump loses that election easily. 

I'm saying racists are a *part* of his voter bloc, if you want to deny that go ahead, but I think deep down you know that's lie yourself. He doesn't want to alienate that group. 

And for a Republican every voter bloc counts because in all honesty they are not very easily able to win popular votes anymore. They need to eek out wins on electoral map technicalities to be able to win anymore. 

Americans under the age of 5 are already a majority minority population. In a few years, by 2020 majority of children under 18 will be a minority majority. That's the future of the American demographics ... as I've said in the long term Trump style politics are really in their last dying gasp. America is going to have to accept that it is already a massively multi-ethnic society.

Trump tied 18-24 years olds in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. And a lot of those "minorities" are also white hispanics...



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DarthMetalliCube said:
Soundwave said:

What point in history did KKK/NeoNazi members not exist in a disparate reality? People need to stop acting like this is something new. It's not, it was just convienant and felt warm and fuzzy to pretend it was gone rather than face up the fact that this ugliness is still here and has been there. 

It will take another 100-200 years for it to really shift in the way people think, probably because by then genetic engineering of humans will render concepts like ethnic identity almost moot (but that's another can of worms, but it does show the futiliy of "racial purists" ... they are on a bus headed off a cliff, they're just too stupid to see it coming). 

Well yes, OBVIOUSLY these groups have been here since the beginning.. What is *new* are a few key components -

1. An echo chamber of the internet that allows like minded people (on ALL sides) to cluster together and embolded their own beliefs by disscussion among their own, while cutting off any opposing views that may make them see things differently

2. A sensationalist mainstream media that at the very least fuels the fire of racial/identity politic tensions for ratings

3. A society that increasingly discourages and even demonize those who speak out in the workplace and public life, thus allowing beliefs and emotions to fester and eventually boil over. I think we're nearing that boiling point

4. You also have groups like BLM and Antifa on the rise and increasingly going out of their way to cause disruptions and even violence in a few cases (NOT saything these guys are on par with supremecist groups), but nonetheless these groups - along with the other factors - are the perfect storm that are giving these hate groups new life, and a new platform so to speak. It only serves to dump fuel on the fire.

I fear this is only going to create a cycle and feedback loop of violence until something eventually gives..

Hate groups are here and will be here for another 50-100 years at least. You might as well get used to that idea. 

They are angry not because of BLM/antifafa, but angry that basically they are losers. They have "lost" America in their eyes because they are too hateful to live alongside someone of a different ethnicity. 

And there is no "debate" or point you can raise to this person that realistically will change their mind. 



At least 3 are dead, according to the governor of Virginia...

 

HOLY SHIT... A HELICOPTER JUST CRASHED. 2 more casualties.

 

https://twitter.com/AP/status/896500657825488896?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet



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ratuscafoarterea said:
barneystinson69 said:

Whos to say Clinton would win if those people voted?

Bro, I'm a gypsy from Romania, I have a ballcrystall, I can tell you ...

I'm waiting bro.



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AlfredoTurkey said:
Aeolus451 said:

Because they believed those polls?

Believe what fairy tale you want.

No, because Trump (and Clinton) weren't popular enough to get them to the polls. Bad candidates tend to do that. 

I'll agree with the spirit of that. Clinton was more of the same and trump was too bombastic/unusual for the some of the right.