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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Weekly, 3rd June 2017, Hardware and Software

LipeJJ on 11 July 2017

I don't get why people are complaining about VGC "undertracking" PS4. The system sold what: 60m? Missing 600k is not really undertracking, it's actually very good tracking as it represents an error margin of just 1%. This kind of thing happens with all platforms eventually. Btw, missing 600k of sales would be a big deal if we were talking about a system on its first year with a small install base. Get your shit together.



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COKTOE on 11 July 2017
Goodnightmoon said:

Is fine that VGC is trying to compensate for the undertracked Ps4 numbers, but at the end of the day we are getting false data and from false data we can reach false conclusions. There is no way in Earth Ps4 sold +150k on Europe that week, is funny to see some people acting like this actually happened though.

As it's already been established that the numbers being used are not adjusted, there's nothing funny about it. It actually happened. Ajusted numbers are coming soon though, so grab your nitrous and get ready to LAUGH.



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Barkley on 11 July 2017
LipeJJ said:
I don't get why people are complaining about VGC "undertracking" PS4. The system sold what: 60m? Missing 600k is not really undertracking, it's actually very good tracking as it represents an error margin of just 1%. This kind of thing happens with all platforms eventually. Btw, missing 600k of sales would be a big deal if we were talking about a system on its first year with a small install base. Get your shit together.

Well it's not really 1% as the last official figures we got were January (53.4m), so over the past few months tracking has been off almost 10%, and if the weekly figures hadn't shot up 100k for week ending may 6th (the update after the 60.4m figure was announced), and then rise even further the figures for this year would have been off by about 18%.

So if Sony hadn't announce the 60.4m figure, tracking would have likely been almost 20% off for PS4 this year.



NawaiNey on 11 July 2017
Kyuu said:
Barkley said:

Well it's not really 1% as the last official figures we got were January (53.4m), so over the past few months tracking has been off almost 10%, and if the weekly figures hadn't shot up 100k for week ending may 6th (the update after the 60.4m figure was announced), and then rise even further the figures for this year would have been off by about 18%.

So if Sony hadn't announce the 60.4m figure, tracking would have likely been almost 20% off for PS4 this year.

You've got it all wrong!!! That was the first time Sony ever disclosed their numbers!

No, you've got it all wrong, Sony discloses numbers every 6 months if not every quarter. 



Alby_da_Wolf on 11 July 2017

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NawaiNey on 11 July 2017
RolStoppable said:
Barkley said:

Well it's not really 1% as the last official figures we got were January (53.4m), so over the past few months tracking has been off almost 10%, and if the weekly figures hadn't shot up 100k for week ending may 6th (the update after the 60.4m figure was announced), and then rise even further the figures for this year would have been off by about 18%.

So if Sony hadn't announce the 60.4m figure, tracking would have likely been almost 20% off for PS4 this year.

It is off by ~15% this year. VGC went into 2017 with a surplus of 400k units (53.8m vs. Sony's announced 53.4m) and arrives at Sony's next announcement with a deficit of 600k units (59.8m vs. 60.4m). So VGC has 6m vs. Sony's 7m and that's with the recent band-aid numbers.

A note on the maths, the correct number (7m) represents 100%, so being off by 1m results in an error margin of just under 15%. Without the band-aid the error margin would have been above 20%.

The surplus at the end of 2016 could have played a part in the lowballed estimates for 2017. Too much compensation for the previous overtracking of the PS4.

I guess Horizon Zero Dawn and all those "niche" japanese exclsuives like Nioh, Yakuza, Nier, etc. sold a lot more PS4s than we thought.

Usually in these early months PS4s have sold just under a million units per month, but this year it managed 7 million in what 5 months? 



Lawlight on 11 July 2017
NawaiNey said:
RolStoppable said:

It is off by ~15% this year. VGC went into 2017 with a surplus of 400k units (53.8m vs. Sony's announced 53.4m) and arrives at Sony's next announcement with a deficit of 600k units (59.8m vs. 60.4m). So VGC has 6m vs. Sony's 7m and that's with the recent band-aid numbers.

A note on the maths, the correct number (7m) represents 100%, so being off by 1m results in an error margin of just under 15%. Without the band-aid the error margin would have been above 20%.

The surplus at the end of 2016 could have played a part in the lowballed estimates for 2017. Too much compensation for the previous overtracking of the PS4.

I guess Horizon Zero Dawn and all those "niche" japanese exclsuives like Nioh, Yakuza, Nier, etc. sold a lot more PS4s than we thought.

Usually in these early months PS4s have sold just under a million units per month, but this year it managed 7 million in what 5 months? 

5 months and a week I think.



NawaiNey on 12 July 2017
Lawlight said:
NawaiNey said:

I guess Horizon Zero Dawn and all those "niche" japanese exclsuives like Nioh, Yakuza, Nier, etc. sold a lot more PS4s than we thought.

Usually in these early months PS4s have sold just under a million units per month, but this year it managed 7 million in what 5 months? 

5 months and a week I think.

Yeah that's a huge bump, and with Gran Turismo this Holiday PS4 is set to cross 20 million for 2017 sales.

And I suspect 2018 will be the peak year with God of War, Detroit Become Human, Days Gone, etc. But the real system sellers will be Spiderman and Red Dead Redemption 2, those games will get people who'd normally have no interest in a Playstation to buy one.



Oneeee-Chan!!! on 24 July 2017

When is the next hardware update ?   I'm so bored these days.



COKTOE on 24 July 2017
Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

When is the next hardware update ?   I'm so bored these days.

I'm just blown away that it's been 2 weeks since this thread started. That can't be right. I think scientists must have invented magic, and their spells are causing 2 weeks to feel like 5 days. Or vodka.



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