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Microsft is at it again with their numbering scheme! this should be the xbox 3 4K or xbox 3 elite (like their elite controller).



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WolfpackN64 said:

Linux, FreeBSD and anything based on XNU really.

Especially XNU's memory managment is far surperior to Microsoft's, being able to run from a desktop to a watch without much problem and without RAM spikes that go up to 9GB's while no applications are visably open.

Can't say I have ever seen Windows spike memory usage up to 9GB in my 20 years of WIndows usage. Right now Windows is using 4GB with 5GB cached out of 32GB.

Windows and *Nix based OS's are vastly different in how they handle memory anyway, so they aren't directly comparable.

For instance, *Nix based OS's like Android, Chrome OS etc' will use all the available Ram to cache as much data as possible... The bonus of that is everything always feels quick and snappy.
But if you are working with 10+ Gigabytes large data sets, it can take time to free that memory up and flush it to disk.

Plus if you are working with say... A Web Browser with a crap ton of tabs... And you start to get low on memory, the OS will start to unload tabs, which means you have to reload the pages that get unloaded later. Not exactly always ideal.

Windows on the other hand will just let you keep on going... As it will just page the data to disk once memory is full... And with SSD's as fast as they are these days, it's not necessary to unload tabs.

There are pro's and cons to each approach... And it's really dependent on what you want out of the system. But Windows 10 isn't the same as the terrible Vista or 9x OS's. Could it be better? Shit yes. There is always room for improvement. Same goes for *Nix.

...I miss BEOS. That was a solid OS.



Pemalite said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Linux, FreeBSD and anything based on XNU really.

Especially XNU's memory managment is far surperior to Microsoft's, being able to run from a desktop to a watch without much problem and without RAM spikes that go up to 9GB's while no applications are visably open.

Can't say I have ever seen Windows spike memory usage up to 9GB in my 20 years of WIndows usage. Right now Windows is using 4GB with 5GB cached out of 32GB.

Windows and *Nix based OS's are vastly different in how they handle memory anyway, so they aren't directly comparable.

For instance, *Nix based OS's like Android, Chrome OS etc' will use all the available Ram to cache as much data as possible... The bonus of that is everything always feels quick and snappy.
But if you are working with 10+ Gigabytes large data sets, it can take time to free that memory up and flush it to disk.

Plus if you are working with say... A Web Browser with a crap ton of tabs... And you start to get low on memory, the OS will start to unload tabs, which means you have to reload the pages that get unloaded later. Not exactly always ideal.

Windows on the other hand will just let you keep on going... As it will just page the data to disk once memory is full... And with SSD's as fast as they are these days, it's not necessary to unload tabs.

There are pro's and cons to each approach... And it's really dependent on what you want out of the system. But Windows 10 isn't the same as the terrible Vista or 9x OS's. Could it be better? Shit yes. There is always room for improvement. Same goes for *Nix.

The spike's were irregular, but it did happen. When it happened during a game, it would simply crash the game AND briefly crash the entire Windows desktop. I was not the only one with this problem and I managed to resolve it by killing all the background apps. Which is something I shouldn't do normally, but when you have apps like "Camera", "Calender" and "Xbox" taking in rescources when they're not needed at all is just bad design.



WolfpackN64 said:

The spike's were irregular, but it did happen. When it happened during a game, it would simply crash the game AND briefly crash the entire Windows desktop. I was not the only one with this problem and I managed to resolve it by killing all the background apps. Which is something I shouldn't do normally, but when you have apps like "Camera", "Calender" and "Xbox" taking in rescources when they're not needed at all is just bad design.

So it's an ancedotal occurrence then?



Pemalite said:
WolfpackN64 said:

The spike's were irregular, but it did happen. When it happened during a game, it would simply crash the game AND briefly crash the entire Windows desktop. I was not the only one with this problem and I managed to resolve it by killing all the background apps. Which is something I shouldn't do normally, but when you have apps like "Camera", "Calender" and "Xbox" taking in rescources when they're not needed at all is just bad design.

So it's an ancedotal occurrence then?

It's a big problem, that being inconsistance of Windows 10. I'm not dissing Windows' architecture, which is quite good and Microsoft has a good track record for cleaning up their code after Windows XP and Vista. However, their direction of the OS itself, being with all elements attached is inconsistent and causes instability in various hardware configurations. I've seen mainly two camps of Windows users: those who don't have any problems at all and those who suffer a wide plethora of issues. Problem is people often deny the fact the platform has issues because they don't encounter them themselves. I've seen a range of issues on several machines I administer (including my own), ranging from poor RAM management due to inneficiënt backround tasks, instability of the desktop (which threw it's icons in dissaray), freezing of the search feature, disk access pinned at 100%, resetting of settings (mainly privacy and background app settings) after an update, downloads ending in TEMP folders instead of in downloads at random, compatability mode simply not working correctly (this is one which I encountered very often), random slow boot times, mismatching of DirectX versions, etc...

The problem is explaining this to people who don't have these issues, but these do occur and not only on my own machine. It's gone so far I just put the updates on "defer-updates" so all updates (except security updates) are pushed back by a month so I can at least expect some consistancy on my machine in the hope the updates are tried and true by the time they get to me.

I also ran Ubuntu on several machines I had problems with to see if the issues could be pinned on hardware, but except one machine which did have a failing hard drive, the issues could not be recreated.



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I don't think MS wants to make Xbox a Windows 10 PC, but calling it Xbox 10 does bring those two platforms together and its essentially a reboot for the X1.

Huh, not a terrible idea.



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I'll call it X1X



ironmanDX said:
NATO said:

What has ram got to do with stability?

If they can take away resources from running the OS, surely that means something.

Sorry, resource management has fuck all to do with stability.

Pemalite said:

Can you name an OS that has superior memory management to windows?

QNX RTOS.



NATO said:
Pemalite said:

Can you name an OS that has superior memory management to windows?

QNX RTOS.

I would say that falls under the *Nix umbrella anyway, even if it is very distinct from it.



Pemalite said:
NATO said:

QNX RTOS.

I would say that falls under the *Nix umbrella anyway, even if it is very distinct from it.

Indeed, but it's memory management was exceptional, significantly better than anything any edition windows has ever done, be it consumer, server or embedded.