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I don't think anyone would like Mattrick more than Spencer. Mattrick is an idiot and should have never been put in charge of xbox.



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Kerotan said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Well to be fair to mattrick did do the kinect which sold what, 30 million?

But I'd definitely say Peter Moore deserves the credit for Xbox 360. IMO the 360 had by far the best exclusive library for the first half of the gen before PS3 took the second half. If Moore had stayed there maybe Xbox would have continued having a great library of exclusive games and really pushed it's early advantage over the PS3. Who knows...

I think it sold around 25m. 

OK so Peter Moore is the genius that took xbox 360 to the dining table with the big boys. He deserves massive credit by the sounds of it. Any idea why he left the company for EA?

$550k a year probably had something to do with it



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Kerotan said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Well to be fair to mattrick did do the kinect which sold what, 30 million?

But I'd definitely say Peter Moore deserves the credit for Xbox 360. IMO the 360 had by far the best exclusive library for the first half of the gen before PS3 took the second half. If Moore had stayed there maybe Xbox would have continued having a great library of exclusive games and really pushed it's early advantage over the PS3. Who knows...

I think it sold around 25m. 

OK so Peter Moore is the genius that took xbox 360 to the dining table with the big boys. He deserves massive credit by the sounds of it. Any idea why he left the company for EA?

He wanted to live near his family in California and that wasn't possible with Xbox since they're headquarted in Washington. 



Ka-pi96 said:

Let's see. Xbox 360 released in 2005, mattrick took over in July 2007. People generally seem to say Xbox started off the gen well but PS3 was the one kicking ass by the end.

So Xbox 360 started off with some great ideas, followed that up with some great exclusives and really good 3rd party support, even from Japanese devs. All the great exclusives around the 2007/8 period (Halo 3, Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia to name a few) would have surely been planned out well ahead of time (ie. before mattrick arrived). Then after he arrives those kind of games go off the rails (Halo 3 to Halo 4) stop being exclusive (Mass Effect) or stop coming to Xbox (JRPGs). He would have been the one that scrapped Xbox's Japanese support. The one that decided not to purchase Bioware and let EA get them instead. The one that oversaw the decline of Halo.

So in short mattrick fucked up Xbox long before he came out with that terrible Xbox One idea. Phil may be all talk, no action. But compared to mattrick... he's still fucking fantastic!

The beginning of the 360 was not great.  Sure, they tried harder in Japan, but it didn't work.  And not only did you have some horribly rushed HW that lead to RROD, but the 360 did less than 8M in its first 2 years on the market.  In comparison, the $200 more expensive PS3 did over 9M in its first 2 years.  The Mattrick era oversaw the revision on HW to fix RROD and the release of the 3 tier 360 model that led it to sell 11M in 2008.  It also sold on par with the first 2 years in just 2007, when he took over.  And while I dislike the Kinect, you can not ignore that it lead to increased interest and sales in the 360.  Basically, the beginning of the 360 era was fucked up.  The middle was good.  And then the ending sucked, too, since MS was focusing more on getting ready for the XBO and far less exclusives were launching.

Of course, just like with the XBO launch, Mattrick was only one spoke on the wheel that really helped and then hurt the Xbox brand.  Ballmer was ultimately in charge.  Spencer played his part in all of that, too.  He wasn't exactly the mail guy when all of this went down.  As someone said in another thread, Spencer just seems like a yes man who is just better at PR than Mattrick.  Mattrick just became the scapegoat to easily push aside the bad policies, as if he was the only one at MS who liked them and OKed them.



Don was a idiot and phil just does interviews and his legacy is killing games like scalebound and killing good IPs like fable trying to push the online service games.



 

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thismeintiel said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Let's see. Xbox 360 released in 2005, mattrick took over in July 2007. People generally seem to say Xbox started off the gen well but PS3 was the one kicking ass by the end.

So Xbox 360 started off with some great ideas, followed that up with some great exclusives and really good 3rd party support, even from Japanese devs. All the great exclusives around the 2007/8 period (Halo 3, Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia to name a few) would have surely been planned out well ahead of time (ie. before mattrick arrived). Then after he arrives those kind of games go off the rails (Halo 3 to Halo 4) stop being exclusive (Mass Effect) or stop coming to Xbox (JRPGs). He would have been the one that scrapped Xbox's Japanese support. The one that decided not to purchase Bioware and let EA get them instead. The one that oversaw the decline of Halo.

So in short mattrick fucked up Xbox long before he came out with that terrible Xbox One idea. Phil may be all talk, no action. But compared to mattrick... he's still fucking fantastic!

The beginning of the 360 was not great.  Sure, they tried harder in Japan, but it didn't work.  And not only did you have some horribly rushed HW that lead to RROD, but the 360 did less than 8M in its first 2 years on the market.  The Mattrick era oversaw the revision on HW to fix RROD and the release of the 3 tier 360 model that led it to sell 11M in 2008.  It also sold on par with the first 2 years in just 2007, when he took over.  And while I dislike the Kinect, you can not ignore that it lead to increased interest and sales in the 360.  Basically, the beginning of the 360 era was fucked up.  The middle was good.  And then the ending sucked, too, since MS was focusing more on getting ready for the XBO and far less exclusives were launching.

Of course, just like with the XBO launch, Mattrick was only one spoke on the wheel that really helped and then hurt the Xbox brand.  Ballmer was ultimately in charge.  Spencer played his part in all of that, too.  He wasn't exactly the mail guy when all of this went down.  As someone said in another thread, Spencer just seems like a yes man who is just better at PR than Mattrick.  Mattrick just became the scapegoat to easily push aside the bad policies, as if he was the only one at MS who liked them and OKed them.

Didn't it? Their sales in Japan trebled from one gen to the next, and that was after giving up part way through. If you're trebling your sales you're definitely doing something right! And if they hadn't given up on it that increase certainly would have been even greater!

And no, 360 didn't sell less than 8m in its first 2 years. It did that in about 13 months. Just over 1 months worth of sales in 2005 =/= a year. mattrick took over in July of 2007 so it's unlikely anything he did actually affected 2007 sales. And as I mentioned before the majority (probably all) of the games it got in 2008 would almost certainly have been agreed before he took charge as well. The 2008 remodel releasing barely a year after he took over too means it was probably in the pipeline beforehand as well. Just think about how long they've been working on the Scorpio redeisgn...

And hey, the beginning of the Xbox 360 only sucked for the people who had their houses burned down by it. That was pretty rare though...



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Ka-pi96 said:
thismeintiel said:

The beginning of the 360 was not great.  Sure, they tried harder in Japan, but it didn't work.  And not only did you have some horribly rushed HW that lead to RROD, but the 360 did less than 8M in its first 2 years on the market.  The Mattrick era oversaw the revision on HW to fix RROD and the release of the 3 tier 360 model that led it to sell 11M in 2008.  It also sold on par with the first 2 years in just 2007, when he took over.  And while I dislike the Kinect, you can not ignore that it lead to increased interest and sales in the 360.  Basically, the beginning of the 360 era was fucked up.  The middle was good.  And then the ending sucked, too, since MS was focusing more on getting ready for the XBO and far less exclusives were launching.

Of course, just like with the XBO launch, Mattrick was only one spoke on the wheel that really helped and then hurt the Xbox brand.  Ballmer was ultimately in charge.  Spencer played his part in all of that, too.  He wasn't exactly the mail guy when all of this went down.  As someone said in another thread, Spencer just seems like a yes man who is just better at PR than Mattrick.  Mattrick just became the scapegoat to easily push aside the bad policies, as if he was the only one at MS who liked them and OKed them.

Didn't it? Their sales in Japan trebled from one gen to the next, and that was after giving up part way through. If you're trebling your sales you're definitely doing something right! And if they hadn't given up on it that increase certainly would have been even greater!

And no, 360 didn't sell less than 8m in its first 2 years. It did that in about 13 months. Just over 1 months worth of sales in 2005 =/= a year. mattrick took over in July of 2007 so it's unlikely anything he did actually affected 2007 sales. And as I mentioned before the majority (probably all) of the games it got in 2008 would almost certainly have been agreed before he took charge as well. The 2008 remodel releasing barely a year after he took over too means it was probably in the pipeline beforehand as well. Just think about how long they've been working on the Scorpio redeisgn...

And hey, the beginning of the Xbox 360 only sucked for the people who had their houses burned down by it. That was pretty rare though...

Well, I guess it did help some.  But, how much of that was the exclusives on 360 and how much was that because the PS3 was $200 more expensive than the 360?  In the end, stopping the Japanese support was most likely a cost benefit analysis.  It cost them much more to make those games than they were getting back in sales.

When I say 2 years, I mean calender years, not an actual two year period.  Still, if you do the full years, the 360 sold 13.7M, where the PS3 sold 16.6M.  Either way, it's not great. You also can't take everything away from him by using the pipeline argument.  There were a lot of games in the pipeline before Spencer took charge, yet I'm sure we don't take that away from him.  Hell, Spencer probably isn't responsible for much, in terms of games, except maybe cancelling them.

And it sucked because for a year and a half, MS denied any HW issues with the 360.  They claimed it was a very small problem that was due to user error.  Same goes for it scratching discs due to MS buying cheap drives that had little to no stabilization.  Even slight vibrations could cause it to scratch them.  So, that's over a year that people had to buy new systems and games because MS lied about the issue.



To be fair, Spencer can't do much with the Xbox brand because Mattrick dwindled the fanbase so much. If the Xbox was toe to toe with playstation or just a little bit behind, investors would likely pour in more money to make it get ahead of the Playstation, but since the fanbase is half of the PS, investors would just think its a waste of money to catch up with the PS fanbase.



Bandorr said:
I would have to know what his period was. From when to when.

Was he responsible for the game diversity on the xbox 360 including JRPG? Then yes.
If not? Then no.

The 360 was out for about 2 years before Mattrick arrived. So, chances are he had nothing to do with them.

He did well with the first Kinect. Did well with some 3rd party deals but.. It's a no for me.



I would say my experience with him was excellent until the Xbox1, though based on what I'm reading that has more to do with him living off of what others had established.

Phil is much more likable, but honestly I feel he's had his priorities for the system ass backwards. He does all kinds of lip service for the importance of exclusives and fun single player experience, but to say they've not delivered is an understatement. While I enjoyed my time with my Xbox360 more than my PS3, I know I'd have serious buyers remorse if I'd not jumped ship back to the PS4 this time around.

In fact, as a PC owner I'm pretty sure if I had to select between the Wii U and Xbox1 with the PS4 being off the table, I'd have gone Wii U. With the Xbox1 they managed to wedge themselves between two systems that both had superior exclusives, but it was weaker than one and more expensive (much of the time) than the other.

Still, I have hope it's all about to turn around. There's a few interesting announced games and the Scorpio actually has me interested.