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LadyJasmine said:
Bristow9091 said:

Could you please give me a list of facts that prove the entire religion of Islam is about hate. Are you really telling me that all 1.6b+ Muslims on the planet right now, are preaching hate?

As a muslim to say Islam is a religion of hate is simply racist.

 

However to say it is a religion of peace is absurd as well. 

Which religion is that of peace?



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Goatseye said:
LadyJasmine said:

As a muslim to say Islam is a religion of hate is simply racist.

 

However to say it is a religion of peace is absurd as well. 

Which religion is that of peace?

A religion that currently does not currently run over people with trucks?



LadyJasmine said:
Goatseye said:

Which religion is that of peace?

A religion that currently does not currently run over people with trucks?

Or harming people at Planned Parenthoods, burning crosses, bombing and shooting people in churches? Is that what you're talking about?



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Goatseye said:
LadyJasmine said:

A religion that currently does not currently run over people with trucks?

Or harming people at Planned Parenthoods, burning crosses, bombing and shooting people in churches? Is that what you're talking about?

Why dont you go back to the typical liberal excuse for  excusing Islamic Terror and bring up the Cursades now? 

So stupid... 

Islam is not a violent faith, it is corrupted by a radicalism of violence like many religions have had in history and it must be defeated. 

 

Islam in the past had a golden age of learning and discovery and understanding...

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So Trump says: Look at how much of a violent place Sweden is, It's aweful.

Supporters say: Well, if you look at these specific cases yes, our lord and master is 100% correct.

But guys. the US has approx. 10x the gun deaths and around 17x the gun muder rate that Sweden has. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate)

Some people really need to stop kidding themselves about which is "The more violent country"

But I'm Canadian, and according to those people, I probably need to mind my own business.



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Brainslug said:
So Trump says: Look at how much of a violent place Sweden is, It's aweful.

Supporters say: Well, if you look at these specific cases yes, our lord and master is 100% correct.

But guys. the US has approx. 10x the gun deaths and around 17x the gun muder rate that Sweden has. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate)

Some people really need to stop kidding themselves about which is "The more violent country"

But I'm Canadian, and according to those people, I probably need to mind my own business.

Well, I am Canadian too, but was born in the U.S. and still have American citizenship, so maybe I won't be disregarded?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-orange-county-florida-sweden-region-where-held-rally-had-50-per-cent-more-murders-a7590601.html?



Brainslug said:
So Trump says: Look at how much of a violent place Sweden is, It's aweful.

Supporters say: Well, if you look at these specific cases yes, our lord and master is 100% correct.

But guys. the US has approx. 10x the gun deaths and around 17x the gun muder rate that Sweden has. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate)

Some people really need to stop kidding themselves about which is "The more violent country"

But I'm Canadian, and according to those people, I probably need to mind my own business.

I agree that it's a bit funny for the president of the most violent nation in the western world, which also has the largest number of prisoners per capita, to attack a Scandinavian country with only a fraction of the issues, all in all. He's calling the kettle black, when in fact it isn't even a little bit gray in comparison.



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Slimebeast said:
Hiku said:

Here's how many errors were in that Fox News report: http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/g26Lk

And two police officers who were featured in the segment who said their comments were taken out of context: http://www.dn.se/kultur-noje/nyheter/swedish-police-featured-in-fox-news-segment-filmmaker-is-a-madman/
One called Ami Howitz "a madman", as mentioned in the OP.

The point however isn't that bad things are happening somewhere in the world.
It's that the president is utterly confused and doesn't fact check before he makes false claims that confuses even more people.

Let's hope he doesn't watch a documentary of World War 2 and thinks it happens last night and nukes Germany.

Lügen presse, the Swedish newspaper is lying right in our face!

All the bolded quotes there made by Horowitz and Fox are completely true. Aftonbladet is a lying propaganda organ.

This is a farse. The whole media establishment usually critizises Sweden, but now now because Trump exposed the truth what's going on here, they're all rising up in defense for our corrupt system.

Of course those policemen that were interviewed are going to complain now because all of a sudden they got the whole worlds attention. Because here in Sweden you are not allowed to say the truth about immigrant crime without severe consequences. That's why the police always talks about "gang related" or "suburb related" violence, but they can't say it's commited by people with foreign background.

That's not how adults debate. The article provided links to independant sources with data that debunk Fox News' claims.
If you want to claim they are untrue, then provide facts that disprove them. Don't just baselessly claim that they are wrong. No one is interested in empty noise.
For example. Fox News claimed that 160 000 refugees arrived in Sweden 2016.
But according to Migrationsverket, only 30 000 did.

https://www.migrationsverket.se/Om-Migrationsverket/Statistik.html
Go ahead and show us how Migrationsverket's stats are wrong, and Fox News stats are correct?
There is no source on this planet more accurate than Migrationsverket about Swedens immigration. Because you know... it's their job.

The police in Sweden can often times not reference ethnicity in a report of a crime, unless it's relevant to that particular case. Such as releasing a description of a suspect in order to spread awareness of a looming threat, or to get info from witnesses. This has to do with anti discrimination laws, and does not just apply too immigrants as you try to make it seem.

And Trump exposed the truth? Topics about Sweden's immigration system has been readily available and discussed for years. That's nothing new. The only thing he exposed was that he is utterly confused, and thought that an event mentioned in a TV show he watched happened last night. And he is once again the laughing stock around the world.
Him and his staff have spread so much falsehood in just the past few weeks that it's almost like a comic book story. A Bowling Green massacre that never happened. Him having the largest electoral votes since Reagan, when he didn't even have more than the past two presidents Obama or Goerge W Bush. "No one has the numbers of the inauguration. But it was the largest inaguration, period." "2-3 million illegal votes were cast for Hilary" but there's no evidence to support that claim. He said the murder rate is the highest it's been in 47 years, and that media doesn't report on it. But no one reports on it because it's not true.



It's nowhere near what it was in the 80's and 90's. Etc.
Trump is the king of fake news, because he seemingly can't tell the difference before he sprouts things that are demonstrably untrue.



Just because the murder rate is down does not excuse why Chicago a city of 2.6 million had 760 murder last year far more then countries like Canada and Great Britain with 35 million and 60 million people.

The thing is a city like Chicago has strict gun laws and has been under democratic control for over 50 years.



Hiku said:
Slimebeast said:

Lügen presse, the Swedish newspaper is lying right in our face!

All the bolded quotes there made by Horowitz and Fox are completely true. Aftonbladet is a lying propaganda organ.

This is a farse. The whole media establishment usually critizises Sweden, but now now because Trump exposed the truth what's going on here, they're all rising up in defense for our corrupt system.

Of course those policemen that were interviewed are going to complain now because all of a sudden they got the whole worlds attention. Because here in Sweden you are not allowed to say the truth about immigrant crime without severe consequences. That's why the police always talks about "gang related" or "suburb related" violence, but they can't say it's commited by people with foreign background.

That's not how adults debate. The article provided links to independant sources with data that debunk Fox News' claims.
If you want to claim they are untrue, then provide facts that disprove them. Don't just baselessly claim that they are wrong. No one is interested in empty noise.
For example. Fox News claimed that 160 000 refugees arrived in Sweden 2016.
But according to Migrationsverket, only 30 000 did.

https://www.migrationsverket.se/Om-Migrationsverket/Statistik.html
Go ahead and show us how Migrationsverket's stats are wrong, and Fox News stats are correct?
There is no source on this planet more accurate than Migrationsverket about Swedens immigration. Because you know... it's their job.

The police in Sweden can often times not reference ethnicity in a report of a crime, unless it's relevant to that particular case. Such as releasing a description of a suspect in order to spread awareness of a looming threat, or to get info from witnesses. This has to do with anti discrimination laws, and does not just apply too immigrants as you try to make it seem.

And Trump exposed the truth? Topics about Sweden's immigration system has been readily available and discussed for years. That's nothing new. The only thing he exposed was that he is utterly confused, and thought that an event mentioned in a TV show he watched happened last night. And he is once again the laughing stock around the world.
Him and his staff have spread so much falsehood in just the past few weeks that it's almost like a comic book story. A Bowling Green massacre that never happened. Him having the largest electoral votes since Reagan, when he didn't even have more than the past two presidents Obama or Goerge W Bush. "No one has the numbers of the inauguration. But it was the largest inaguration, period." "2-3 million illegal votes were cast for Hilary" but there's no evidence to support that claim. He said the murder rate is the highest it's been in 47 years, and that media doesn't report on it. But no one reports on it because it's not true.



It's nowhere near what it was in the 80's and 90's. Etc.
Trump is the king of fake news, because he seemingly can't tell the difference before he sprouts things that are demonstrably untrue.

Yeah, I later saw that Fox/Horowitz mixed up the years 2015 and 2016. It was in 2015 that 160,000 migrants came to a country of 10 million, not in 2016.Wow, big deal....

But the rest of the points were correct, and our media (Sweden) is in complete damage control mode. It's a disgrace. A farse. I am very thankful to Fox and Trump that they specifically brought the world public's attention to the horrible, crazy situation in Sweden and how we hide the truth about crime commited by foreigners.