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monocle_layton said:
justiceiro said:
That i was always against the idea of a hybrid. It is the worse of both world, with games that are somewhat lost between 2 philosophies.

It's the best of the handheld world for sure. Maybe not the best home, but guess what? Many people are fine with exchanging power for portability.

How a handheld that doen't easily fit in a pocket be the best?

It is as good as vita was at launch.  Tell me again in 3 years if it is as good as you imagined.



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Today most hardware design is left to other companies, but when you make hardware without taking into account the needs of the eventual software developers, you end up with bloated hardware full of pointless excess. From the outset one must consider design from both a hardware and software perspective."

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justiceiro said:
monocle_layton said:

It's the best of the handheld world for sure. Maybe not the best home, but guess what? Many people are fine with exchanging power for portability.

How a handheld that doen't easily fit in a pocket be the best?

It is as good as vita was at launch.  Tell me again in 3 years if it is as good as you imagined.

The majority of handheld gaming devices don't fit comfortably in most people's pockets. I'm a relatively large man (6', 200lbs) and I don't wear tight pants and most handheld devices would be uncomfortable for me to carry around, I can't imagine children, women or most men having better luck.

That's what backpacks, purses, suitcases, messanger bags, etc. are for.



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What I'm seeing here is someone recently bought a 4K display and because of that, they feel entitled to a 4K console from Nintendo.

Yes, 720p is the standard from over ten years ago and yes, it wasn't until around 2013 with the release of the PS4 and XBO that 1080p became standardized for consoles.

For anyone thinking of interjecting with "no it wasn't; there were 1080p games on the XB360 and PS3" you already know that 1080p wasn't the standard for graphics and that the vast majority of games on either system either used upscaling or other display techniques to improve a 720p native render signal. This is not one of those arguments, because frankly, the 7th generation and its resolution debates have already been covered.

Switch is 720p (portable mode) because the display is 720p, providing a 1:1 native resolution render. Would a high density pixel display have been better because branded displays like Retina have been around since 2012? Of course, but that's not the question.

Nintendo set the specs for Switch based upon the BoM for a set of hardware they could sell at the margins they wanted for $299. That's what you get, take it or leave it. Being a life long fan of Nintendo games and IPs doesn't entitle one to anything more.

So if we go back to the original thought of "I just bought a 4k display, I deserve a 4k console to take advantage of it..." this is the exact same scenario of 2006 when a lot of consumers bought 1080p displays and bemoaned the 480p resolution of the Wii because they felt entitled to more from their $249 console.

justiceiro said:
monocle_layton said:

It's the best of the handheld world for sure. Maybe not the best home, but guess what? Many people are fine with exchanging power for portability.

How a handheld that doen't easily fit in a pocket be the best?

It is as good as vita was at launch.  Tell me again in 3 years if it is as good as you imagined.

yeah, cause laptops definitely are a failure due to their inability to be carried around...not like we have bags or anything. Guess you're right- if it doesn't fit in your pocket, it's a failure.



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monocle_layton said:
justiceiro said:

How a handheld that doen't easily fit in a pocket be the best?

It is as good as vita was at launch.  Tell me again in 3 years if it is as good as you imagined.

yeah, cause laptops definitely are a failure due to their inability to be carried around...not like we have bags or anything. Guess you're right- if it doesn't fit in your pocket, it's a failure.

Still not the best, and you said that was the "best of handheld".



"Hardware design isn’t about making the most powerful thing you can.
Today most hardware design is left to other companies, but when you make hardware without taking into account the needs of the eventual software developers, you end up with bloated hardware full of pointless excess. From the outset one must consider design from both a hardware and software perspective."

Gunpei Yoko

justiceiro said:
monocle_layton said:

yeah, cause laptops definitely are a failure due to their inability to be carried around...not like we have bags or anything. Guess you're right- if it doesn't fit in your pocket, it's a failure.

Still not the best, and you said that was the "best of handheld".

Yes, it is the best of handhelds. You're just nitpicking and trying to dislike a product for the sake of disliking it.

 

I'd get it if the switch was 8 inches and weighed 10 pounds, but it isn't. It's very mobile, similar to how the ds was mobile  (even with how thick it was).



It's kind of nice to have a fresh start. You feel like a whole new person.

maxleresistant said:
If the 720p games had proper anti aliasing, it would be ok I guess.

The only game so far that seems to run at 720p without AA when docked is Splatoon 2, and while that may indeed be disappointing, there's still the chance that they're optimizing the 720p portable mode first and will boost docked resolution later in development.

Breath of the Wild is 900p with AA when docked, and Mario Kart 8, while it lacks AA, is 1080p when docked.



curl-6 said:
maxleresistant said:
If the 720p games had proper anti aliasing, it would be ok I guess.

The only game so far that seems to run at 720p without AA when docked is Splatoon 2, and while that may indeed be disappointing, there's still the chance that they're optimizing the 720p portable mode first and will boost docked resolution later in development.

Breath of the Wild is 900p with AA when docked, and Mario Kart 8, while it lacks AA, is 1080p when docked.

I'd argue that with good AA it would look better at 720p than 1080p without



NATO said:
curl-6 said:

The only game so far that seems to run at 720p without AA when docked is Splatoon 2, and while that may indeed be disappointing, there's still the chance that they're optimizing the 720p portable mode first and will boost docked resolution later in development.

Breath of the Wild is 900p with AA when docked, and Mario Kart 8, while it lacks AA, is 1080p when docked.

I'd argue that with good AA it would look better at 720p than 1080p without

Or with the extra power devoted to better effects rather than more pixels, yeah.



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curl-6 said:

Or with the extra power devoted to better effects rather than more pixels, yeah.

Indeed, MK has never had the king of texture complexity to warrant higher resolutions, so nicer effects, smoother edges and a cleaner appearance would definitely be better than jaggies at 1080p.