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Forums - Politics Discussion - So, Trump's ban on certain nationalities is in effect.

 

Your opinion on the ban

Good! 145 35.02%
 
Get rid of this as fast as possible. 200 48.31%
 
Needs more exceptions 25 6.04%
 
List needs to be redone 44 10.63%
 
Total:414
WagnerPaiva on 29 January 2017

Ban brazilians! Brazilians that go to Florida are the worst, bunch of arrogant idiots.
Just kidding.
If all politicians where like Trump, mandates could last a month, the guy is really hard working. America is going to get really strong with all his decisions.
also, Foxconn is thinking about put factories in the US, pretty impressive.
It is sad the MSM is saying so many lies about him, with full support this guy would drive America into a Golden age



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

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fatslob-:O on 29 January 2017

Needs to be bigger like people said ...

Ban Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan too ...



Lawlight on 29 January 2017
palou said:
NewGuy said:

It is a nice, dystopian thought. I'll give you that. However, do you think, given the current state of the world and human nature in general, that it is a feasible thing today or in the future?

Why dystopian?

You didn't respond to my post to you.



Lawlight on 29 January 2017
pray4mojo said:
This is another case of fragile, insecure white people. The country is changing and they can't deal with it. If only they knew that nothing can stop it... maybe they'd find something else to be delusional about. Maybe.

Lol, calling other people racist while being racist yourself.



NewGuy on 29 January 2017
PDF said:
WagnerPaiva said:

It is sad the MSM is saying so many lies about him, with full support this guy would drive America into a Golden age

This makes me sad.  What lies are you talking about?

What about Trump and his lies? Just in the last week he has lied about voter fraud and crowd size at his innagural.  

You can go to buzzfeed and see a running list of all his lies but you probably don't trust them because they are 'lying'. https://www.buzzfeed.com/maryanngeorgantopoulos/president-trump-lie-list?utm_term=.bsE4Z6qmM#.bieqmQp7l

Everyone lies, but on voter fraud, Obama admitted democrats commit voter fraud:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-3wTKMkKZA

We just need to know how bad it is. Glad they are doing an investigation on it.

DarthMetalliCube said:
Aura7541 said:

 Isn't it fun when the far left brands you as a race traitor or internalized racist? That has happened to me a number of times and I get extremely annoyed when people assume I should think a particular way because of my race.

The ironic thing is these far left types are often the real racists because they condemn you for not thinking along the lines you're "supposed to" be thinking based on your particular group, while at the same time flinging insluts and namecalling you for doing so. But sadly they'll never see it this way.. Thankfully more people from different cultures seem to be waking up to this and the far left is alienating more and more people. That's why ironically you tend to see these SJW types being white more often than not..

Tell me about it. And when you act for facts, oftentimes you get "Facts are out there" or "You have to go with your intuition sometimes" and shit like that. The left surely alienated me when I took emotion out of the equation.

WagnerPaiva said:
Ban brazilians! Brazilians that go to Florida are the worst, bunch of arrogant idiots.
Just kidding.
If all politicians where like Trump, mandates could last a month, the guy is really hard working. America is going to get really strong with all his decisions.
also, Foxconn is thinking about put factories in the US, pretty impressive.
It is sad the MSM is saying so many lies about him, with full support this guy would drive America into a Golden age

I wouldn't mind enforcing the laws so that we can keep folks from littering, driving erratically and acting a fool. That would be countrywide though, but it's a big thing in S. Fla and Orlando.

fatslob-:O said:
Needs to be bigger like people said ... 

Ban Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Afghanistan too ...

May be added to the list later



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Thuglas on 29 January 2017

This is Definitely Trump's first screw up as President. Not because he made the list, that's what he promised he'll do (although I disagree with it), but rather the list itself is a complete joke for not including Saudi Arabia. He didn't have the balls to include the country that mattered the most. Our Economy would fall without the Petrodollar.

As for the ban, there is no need for it. Maintain or raise the criteria one must meet to become a US citizen and less terrorist will make it in. Looking at Europe over the last several years, Muslim immigration is causing problems because the poorest citizens of these backwards countries (as far as human rights abuses go) are migrating to countries with a huge welfare state for everyone and has very little standards to meet for someone wanting to immigrate from their situation. Poorer folk are more likely to commit crimes no matter where they grow up in the world. And of course poorer people are more enticed by welfare benefits. Having huge welfare benefits and then opening your doors to every poor Muslim on the continent and obviously you will get a "Muslim problem". Especially after the destabilization caused by the US

The argument on the Trump side is that we have to ban Muslims because of what is happening in Europe. Somalian and Syrian immigrants are especially problematic in Germany and Sweden (which were on Trump's list). Rape gangs and terror attacks are what I'm referring to unfortunately. And I do agree Islam has a major role in influencing these terror crimes (not gonna get into that now). BUT I still disagree with the ban. Just isn't ethical to ban the entire group of people because of the actions of the minority. Since the minority still poses a real threat we have to combat it but not with a Muslim ban. We can avoid the problem with more vetting.



Qwark on 29 January 2017

Trump be like keep islamic terrorist attacks in Europe. Although I gotta hand it yo him the math is flawless here you can't have islamic terrorism without Islam. Only regular terrorism which will still occur in the US. I love how the US and Russia screwed up the Middle East and let Europe suffer the concequences.

 

Why isn't Mexico on this list and Europe as a whole  including Turkey, plenty of terrorist over here as well.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

Thuglas on 29 January 2017
PDF said:
WagnerPaiva said:

It is sad the MSM is saying so many lies about him, with full support this guy would drive America into a Golden age

This makes me sad.  What lies are you talking about?

What about Trump and his lies? Just in the last week he has lied about voter fraud and crowd size at his innagural.  

You can go to buzzfeed and see a running list of all his lies but you probably don't trust them because they are 'lying'. https://www.buzzfeed.com/maryanngeorgantopoulos/president-trump-lie-list?utm_term=.bsE4Z6qmM#.bieqmQp7l

Buzzfeed reported that Trump paid Russian hookers to piss on each other in a bed he knew Michelle Obama slept on. Putin then got ahold of a video recording of this and is using it to manipulate Trump....allegedly from an anonymous Mi6 agent. Sorry but no one should ever take Buzzfeed seriously



NewGuy on 29 January 2017
PDF said:
NewGuy said:

Everyone lies, but on voter fraud, Obama admitted democrats commit voter fraud:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-3wTKMkKZA

We just need to know how bad it is. Glad they are doing an investigation on it.

Donald Trump is saying our whole democracy is compromised. That is a serious accusation that the President of the United States shouldn't be making without solid evidence, which he doesn't have.  It's only 3-5 million so it covers the amount he lost to Hillary.  His focus is on two states that largely voted against him.  He's even claming that out of those "fake" 3-5 million that not a single one is for him.

Saying we should look into voter fraud is one thing. Claiming that 3-5 million votes have been illegally cast is another thing.   I don't know if its a lie because he seems to believe it.  It is however false.  Any study looking into has shown its incredibly rare.  

Also did you just watch Watters world cause I saw that clip too.  Stupid thing to hold up as evidence of 3-5 million illegal votes.

What studies? Can you point me to it?

You sure seem to know it is a lie as you affirmed "fake" in quotation, implying they are not really fake. Trump doesn't know either and he's going off that Pew report. I don't see how an investigation is a bad thing. We should all want that. You and I probably differ on this though because I believe that - among other things - you need to have a Voter (or a Federal Government) ID in order to vote. 



NewGuy on 29 January 2017
PDF said:
NewGuy said:

What studies? Can you point me to it?

You sure seem to know it is a lie as you affirmed "fake" in quotation, implying they are not really fake. Trump doesn't know either and he's going off that Pew report. I don't see how an investigation is a bad thing. We should all want that. You and I probably differ on this though because I believe that - among other things - you need to have a Voter (or a Federal Government) ID in order to vote. 

Investigation is fine but why focus on California and New York?  It is his baseless claim that has me worried.  If he spouts of random and innacurate numbers on this what else will he lie about?

Do you believe it is okay for the President to just say whatever he wants without facts?  Especially something as serious as stating integrity of our democratic elections is broken.  

The Pew Report where the author says there is no proof of voter fraud? Yeah thats a great source. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/315914-author-of-study-spicer-cited-we-found-no-evidence-of-voter

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/voter-fraud

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/study-finds-no-evidence-widespread-voter-fraud-n637776

I saw the interview on NBC (or was it CNN?) where the author said there was no evidence. ABC even asked Trump about it on their interview. This is what he's going off on, and why the investigation is being done. I don't believe the investigation will be only in California and New York, and I don't think an order has been issued on that yet. but feel free to prove me wrong.

I don't think it's okay for a President to lie and make stuff up, do you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yRac2EVvRI

Trump technically probably isn't lying (about this) as he actually most likely genuinely believes it. I know it's semantics, but worth bringing it up. If the investigation comes back and the numbers are still the same and Trump continues his narrative, then he'll be lying, facetious and purposefully ignorant.